Does anybody know where I can find decent tab for the [standard guitar, not bass] Concrete Blonde song: Joey? I've looked at a bunch of different sites, but most of them only have the bass, and the ones that I've found for guitar are _really_ sucking; they're in some sort of shorthand tablature or something that I don't understand. :P I guess I'm rudimentary even in that knowledge; I'm used to seeing numbers on a lineup of strings and that's it. :P
Any information on where to find what I'm looking for and/or how to read the other forms of tab is greatly appreciated. ;)

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Re: Tab for Concrete Blonde: Joey
By: Khelair to All on Wed Sep 24 2014 09:47 am

Does anybody know where I can find decent tab for the [standard guitar, no bass] Concrete Blonde song: Joey? I've looked at a bunch of different sites but most of them only have the bass, and the ones that I've found for guitar are _really_ sucking; they're in some sort of shorthand tablature or somethi that I don't understand. :P I guess I'm rudimentary even in that knowledge I'm used to seeing numbers on a lineup of strings and that's it. :P
Any information on where to find what I'm looking for and/or how to read t other forms of tab is greatly appreciated. ;)

Looked that song up online, listened and looked at the chords. That's not really a song you should use tab for generally speaking, because it's not really riff heavy. It looks like it's a basic chord progression that goes G-Em-C-D for most of the song, there are many ways to play that but there's nothing revolutionary about the guitar part relative to those chords that would make tablature a good point of reference.

While tablature might seem like a good alternative to reading music, learning what chord symbols mean for major and minor chords is the way to remember and learn songs. When a guitarist plays a song they don't recall every single
fret number, they use short cuts. Learning how to recall chords doesn't require learning how to read music and is my recommendation. You're probably doing searches for songs online "song name tablature"... I'd recommend augmenting that or replacing it with "song name chords and lyrics". Whenever I see tablature only available for a song, I usually wind up breaking it back down in my head into a chord structure, otherwise I wouldn't be able to remember it.

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Re: Tab for Concrete Blonde: Joey
By: LaRRy LaGoMoRpH to Khelair on Wed Sep 24 2014 12:13:09

Looked that song up online, listened and looked at the chords. That's not really a song you should use tab for generally speaking, because it's not really riff heavy. It looks like it's a basic chord progression that goes G-Em-C-D for most of the song, there are many ways to play that but there's nothing revolutionary about the guitar part relative to those chords that would
make tablature a good point of reference.

Yeah, when I started looking at the tab for it (once I actually found some), I started realizing I was probably biting off a bit more than I can chew at this point. I mean, I don't remember _any_ chords. The only thing that I really remember off the top of my head are the intros to 2 Metallica songs and a little tiny bit of one of Nirvana's songs. As far as chords in general? I started working on them a bit, but I never got to the point where I was able to strum separated strings correctly. So that one is pretty much out of my range for now, I think.

While tablature might seem like a good alternative to reading music, learning
what chord symbols mean for major and minor chords is the way to remember and
learn songs. When a guitarist plays a song they don't recall every single fret number, they use short cuts. Learning how to recall chords doesn't require learning how to read music and is my recommendation. You're probably
doing searches for songs online "song name tablature"... I'd recommend augmenting that or replacing it with "song name chords and lyrics". Whenever I
see tablature only available for a song, I usually wind up breaking it back down in my head into a chord structure, otherwise I wouldn't be able to remember it.

Actually no, I totally understand what you mean here. I used to know how
to read music, back when I was actually learning things the right way with my clarinet. Unfortunately I've totally lost that. Right now I'm thinking that I'm
going to go back to it, though. I mean I need lessons on the whole damn shpiel as far as what I'm working with right now, too, so I might as well pick that up at the same time. There's far too much important information that isn't encoded
in the tablature. I was just kind of looking at that hoping to find enough music
that interested me to be able to get in some serious practice hours just doing that... I'm starting to think, though, that that's not really the practice that
I need if I'm going to work towards anything with proper technique or a chance of giving me a well-rounded education on the instrument.
So yeah, I'll probably be going back to school on all of it real soon here. :) Tab is useless without already remembering the song well.
Thank you for the input on the searches and everything, though. I'll give that a shot, but I'm gonna pull up a few lessons for the dudes (and dudettes, of course) who know nothing about friggin' music any more, first. ;)


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Re: Tab for Concrete Blonde: Joey
By: Khelair to LaRRy LaGoMoRpH on Thu Sep 25 2014 09:23 pm

Actually no, I totally understand what you mean here. I used to know h

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to read music, back when I was actually learning things the right way with m clarinet. Unfortunately I've totally lost that. Right now I'm thinking tha

I'm not saying you need to know how to read music, but there is something to be said for understanding it on some level, and that starts with just getting chords down.

I think I have an analogy that hopefully works - music is like language and the way you think about could be summed up thusly. Learning to play by reading tablature is like trying to give a speech by memorizing every single letter. Reading sheet music is like trying to give a speech in a language you don't speak on something you've never practiced by using phonetic spellings to make sure it is impeccable. Being able to play the basic chords (I think I outlined them in a different post) is like learning words. You can deduce what the chords are from sheet music and tablature, and it becomes easier to memorize. When you start learning why chords move from one to the other it becomes akin to building your own sentence. But once you start thinking in terms of words as oppose to letters you can begin communicating in some way shape or form. Otherwise your fingers will get frustrated.

There aren't that many basic chords. Take the ones in this song for example, they're all on my list of basic ones you should know.

I always find it helps to sing along as well. Your fingers will eventually figure it out is my theory.
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Re: Tab for Concrete Blonde: Joey
By: LaRRy LaGoMoRpH to Khelair on Wed Sep 24 2014 11:13:09

While tablature might seem like a good alternative to reading music, learning what chord symbols mean for major and minor chords is the way to remember and learn songs. When a guitarist plays a song they don't recall every single fret number, they use short cuts. Learning how to recall chords doesn't require learning how to read music and is my recommendation. You're probably doing searches for songs online "song name tablature"... I'd recommend augmenting that or replacing it with "song

I'm going to have to disagree on your opinion of Tabs Mr. LaGoMoRpH. I've been playing guitar for 40+ years and can read music remember frets etc. However my Son picked up the guitar using the internet and Tabs and he can out play me anyday. I'm good but he's really good. Just thought I'd add my 2 cents ;-)

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