Hello everybody!

Has anybody seen the upcoming products from Valve? I only run Steam on my PC on Windows. Does anybody have Steam Deck, how does it perform?
I think I would be buying the Steam Machine when it's released.

Javier


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Re: Latest Valve's announcement
By: Javier Sturman to All on Thu Nov 20 2025 03:25 pm

Has anybody seen the upcoming products from Valve? I only run Steam on my PC on Windows. Does anybody have Steam Deck, how does it perform? I think I would be buying the Steam Machine when it's released.

I don't have a Steam Deck, but I do use Steam. I use it mainly in Windows, but a couple years ago, I installed Steam in Linux, and I've since installed a couple Linux-native versions of games from Steam: X-Plane 11 (and 12, I believe) and Overload (a 2018 successor to Descent/Descent 2). I was pleasantly surprised at the quality of those games in Linux (though of course, those games aren't developed by Steam/Valve themselves).

Nightfox

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Hello everybody!

Has anybody seen the upcoming products from Valve? I only run Steam on
my PC on Windows. Does anybody have Steam Deck, how does it perform? I think I would be buying the Steam Machine when it's released.

Are they coming out with a new Portal yet? :-)



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Are they coming out with a new Portal yet? :-)

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I dont think the steam machine will be that affordable, but if i didnt own so many electrical devices such as switch 2, macbook air, ipad and a windows laptop, i would have been open to a steamdeck.

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Has anybody seen the upcoming products from Valve? I only run Steam on
my PC on Windows. Does anybody have Steam Deck, how does it perform?
I think I would be buying the Steam Machine when it's released.

The Steam Deck ain't perfect, but if you want mine, you'll have to pry it
from my cold, dead hands. It's perfect for certain types of games, and it's
my favorite emulation machine ever.

So many non-linux games "just work" - no muss, no fuss. Brilliant.

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I don't have a Steam Deck, but I do use Steam. I use it mainly in Windows, but a couple years ago, I installed Steam in Linux, and I've since installed a couple Linux-native versions of games from Steam: X-Plane 11 (and 12, I believe) and Overload (a 2018 successor to Descent/Descent 2). I was pleasantly surprised at the quality of those games in Linux (though of course, those games aren't developed by Steam/Valve themselves).

Same on Mac. Steam/Valve did a lot of good job with wine backed launchers to launch windows only games on other major OSes. Not even speaking that more companies are actually releasing multiplatform these days.

Windows is not that critical for PC gaming anymore.

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Re: Re: Latest Valve's announcement
By: hollowone to Nightfox on Fri Nov 21 2025 01:50 pm

Same on Mac. Steam/Valve did a lot of good job with wine backed launchers to launch windows only games on other major OSes. Not even speaking that more companies are actually releasing multiplatform these days.

That's cool. I've noticed that myself - A couple of the games I've played in the last several years have had multi-platform releases. And one of the games I discovered recently (Overload) was released in 2018, and it was released for Windows, Linux, and Mac OS.

Windows is not that critical for PC gaming anymore.

Why is that? Is it because there are more Mac and Linux users these days? I thought Windows was still important for PC gaming, as a lot of game developers still seem to at least make a Windows release by default.

I thought I'd heard that a lot of people these days don't have a PC of any kind anymore though (which seems odd to me), so I'd think consoles might be a significant factor these days (as they always were).

Nightfox

Windows is not that critical for PC gaming anymore.

Why is that? Is it because there are more Mac and Linux users these
days? I thought Windows was still important for PC gaming, as a lot of game developers still seem to at least make a Windows release by Ni> default.

Oh.. what I meant is that it is not that critical REQUIREMENT for PC gaming anymore. It's of course most popular and relevant continually.. but it has developed this position due to the practical requirement which is not blocking to test and play PC games on a variety of PC computing platforms these days and Steam supports that very well!

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Re: Latest Valve's announcement
By: Javier Sturman to All on Thu Nov 20 2025 03:25 pm

Hello everybody!

Has anybody seen the upcoming products from Valve? I only run Steam on my PC on Windows. Does anybody have Steam Deck, how does it perform?
I think I would be buying the Steam Machine when it's released.

Javier

Hi there,

For the sake of full disclosure, I usually come across as a Steam Deck fanboy, which is weird because I am much of a Valve detractor.

Anyway, regarding the Steam Deck, as long as you keep your expectations in check, the machine fucking rocks.

For one, it is an actual PC on which they have slapped a console-like user interface. The implication is that if you just want to play, the experience is very console-like, but if you need a PC for whatever reason, you can attatch a mouse and a keyboard to it and do your accounting on the thing.

That point cannot be stressed enough. Yeah, using a Steam Deck for work looks ridiculous. Then your workstation gets toasted for whatever reason and it does not matter because you can administrate your server fleet from your Steam Deck while a new workstation arrives.

Now, regarding gaming: the Steam Deck is a bit underpowered if your target is AAA games, and you will be tight on storage unless you break bank expanding it. In my opinion, the Steam Deck is perfect if you plan to play retro games or indies. Games such as Redout play fine on ultra settings, and Mortal Shell plays fine on medium. You can emulate up to PS2 and Xbox games without making a dent in your resources. PS3 is doable but it is pushing it and far from perfect.

Game support is mostly good. It is very rare for me to find a game that does not run well due to compatibility issues. That said, games with kernel level anti-cheat won't work at all because kernel level anti-cheat is essentially a rootkit, and the underlying Linux system does not execute that sort of thing.

A big advantage is you can run non-steam games on it. If you are a Steam hater it is great, because you can purchase a Steam Deck and play all your Gog and Zoom-platofrm games on it.

Battery life is ok but not awesome. Lowering game settings if you want an extended battery life is an option, so if you want to play for long on a single charge then you might consider lowering your graphical settings so the GPU won't eat as much power. I can take a 2 hour long bus trip playing on the thing and still keep 30% of battery to spare.

As for the Steam Machine, I personally want it to succeed, but whether it will be a wise investment or not will depend on its launch price.

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Re: Re: Latest Valve's announcement
By: Nightfox to hollowone on Mon Nov 24 2025 10:15 am

Windows is not that critical for PC gaming anymore.

Why is that? Is it because there are more Mac and Linux users these days? I thought Windows was still important for PC gaming, as a lot of game developers still seem to at least make a Windows release by default.

Valve has invested a huge amount of resources in order to not become dependant on Microsoft.

Think about it. Steam has a 70% market share when it comes to PC games, but most of their games used to run only on Windows. This means Steam had a HUGE business going, but it all depended on a third party (Microsoft) for their customers to run their licensed games.

If Microsoft were to play a Google/Apple style scheme and make it so only official app stores were supported by their Operating Systems, Steam would be in trouble. If Microsoft released their own games store and actively tried to hinder third party stores, Steam would be in trouble. The people at Valve is smart and they know this. The best way to survive long term is to ensure they don't depend on Microsoft playing ball forever, therefore they NEED their product to run on different Operating Systems just in case.


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Re: Re: Latest Valve's announcement
By: Arelor to Nightfox on Wed Nov 26 2025 08:28 am

Valve has invested a huge amount of resources in order to not become dependant on Microsoft.

Think about it. Steam has a 70% market share when it comes to PC games, but most of their games used to run only on Windows. This means Steam had a HUGE business going, but it all depended on a third party (Microsoft) for their customers to run their licensed games.

If Microsoft were to play a Google/Apple style scheme and make it so only official app stores were supported by their Operating Systems, Steam would be in trouble. If Microsoft released their own games store and actively tried to hinder third party stores, Steam would be in trouble. The people at Valve is smart and they know this. The best way to survive long term is to ensure they don't depend on Microsoft playing ball forever, therefore they NEED their product to run on different Operating Systems just in case.

That all makes sense, and I wouldn't argue against any of that. Even though Steam supports other operating systems, they're mainly an app store. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of games they sell aren't made by them (though I know Steam/Valve does make games), and many PC game makers target Windows. But having the Steam store on other operating systems definitely helps motivate game makers to support other operating systems. I currently dual-boot my main PC between Windows and Linux, and I've thought of fully using Linux; one of the main things keeping me using Windows is the games. But there are some other programs I use that don't have a Linux version yet too.

Nightfox

If Microsoft were to play a Google/Apple style scheme and make it so only official app stores were supported by their Operating Systems, Steam
would be in trouble. If Microsoft released their own games store and actively tried to hinder third party stores, Steam would be in trouble. The people at Valve is smart and they know this. The best way to survive long term is to ensure they don't depend on Microsoft playing ball forever, therefore they NEED their product to run on different Operating Systems just in case.

I don't know man.. MS missed this whole game plan around Windows 7 era. They screwed up App store concept with Windows 8 and I'm not sure if anybody is serious about their story, nor ever be.

They may try... to buy Steam.. that would be better for them instead of competing. This is such fucked up app store platform if I think about it as windows-native. and app stores are saturated now.. hard to convince anybody to change when everybody has a 10+ years long tail backlog in their libraries.

I think steam is invincible and by making PC gaming OS agnostic they are bigger treat to Windows business than MS could ever be to them.

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Re: Re: Latest Valve's announcement
By: hollowone to Arelor on Thu Nov 27 2025 12:04 am

They may try... to buy Steam.. that would be better for them instead of competing. This is such fucked up app store platform if I think about it as windows-native. and app stores are saturated now.. hard to convince anybody to change when everybody has a 10+ years long tail backlog in their libraries.

I think steam is invincible and by making PC gaming OS agnostic they are bigger treat to Windows business than MS could ever be to them.

I don't think any company is invincible if they fall asleep.

In my opinion, Microsoft has less of a chance than an icecube in the flaming pits of hell when it comes to pushing a game store, but they are actually trying. In case you are not following the headlines, Microsoft is in the process of "suicidating" their Xbox branch and turning them away from a console-centric department and into a sophisticated storefront.

They have been buying studios in spades for a while now in order to fuel their library and they are already experimenting by licensing the Xbox brand to third party hardware manufacturers. It is obvious they are extremely serious about their strategical change of pace.

I agree it would be better for them to outright buy Steam, but I don't think Valve is going to sell so easily.


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Re: Re: Latest Valve's announcement
By: hollowone to Arelor on Thu Nov 27 2025 12:04 am

would be in trouble. If Microsoft released their own games store and
actively tried to hinder third party stores, Steam would be in trouble.

They may try... to buy Steam.. that would be better for them instead of competing. This is such fucked up app store platform if I think about it

That would be interesting.. Although Microsoft already owns a lot of stuff - They bought GitHub not too long ago, for instance. I'm not sure how I'd feel about Microsoft owning Steam; I'm not fond of monopolies, and when a company starts buying lots of other companies & projects, they start appearing more like a monopoly. Microsoft has already been in trouble once in the late 90s for monopolistic practices. However, if there's ever an issue with software approval for Windows, then I suppose Microsoft buying Steam could be okay.

I don't really like the idea of an OS vendor approving software for their OS though.. I think one thing that makes an OS good is the availability of software, and having a system where it's easy to release software for an OS means there will be a lot of software for people to use.

Nightfox

They have been buying studios in spades for a while now in order to fuel their library and they are already experimenting by licensing the Xbox brand to third party hardware manufacturers. It is obvious they are extremely serious about their strategical change of pace.

Our they trying to take the same approach to Windows? Allow companies to build the hardware then use their software?

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Re: Latest Valve's announcement
By: niter3 to Arelor on Fri Nov 28 2025 06:20 am

Our they trying to take the same approach to Windows? Allow companies to build the hardware then use their software?

They recently gave a license to a hardware manufacturer to produce a "Xbox" handheld. Think of a Nintendo Switch, but in Xbox version.

You look under its hood and it is a Steam Deck-like computer running Windows and with Xbox software on it. I think that is what Microsoft is trying to pull out: Third party hardware manufacturers producing Xbox licensed hardware which runs the Xbox store, so they can sell games on them.

I could work if lots of people had massive Xbox libraries, which made them locked into the MS ecosystem, but as far as I am aware Xbox missed the train on the previous generation so the big mass of Xbox users necessary to move the idea forward is not there. Last time somebody tried something similar was with the 3DO and it crashed very badly.


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They have been buying studios in spades for a while now in order to fuel their library and they are already experimenting by licensing the Xbox brand to third party hardware manufacturers. It is obvious they are extremely serious about their strategical change of pace.

Our they trying to take the same approach to Windows? Allow companies to build the hardware then use their software?

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Re: Latest Valve's announcement
By: niter3 to Arelor on Fri Nov 28 2025 06:20 am

Our they trying to take the same approach to Windows? Allow companies to build the hardware then use their software?

They recently gave a license to a hardware manufacturer to produce a "Xbox" handheld. Think of a Nintendo Switch, but in Xbox version.

You look under its hood and it is a Steam Deck-like computer running Windows and with Xbox software on it. I think that is what Microsoft is trying to pull out: Third party hardware manufacturers producing Xbox licensed hardware which runs the Xbox store, so they can sell games on them.

I could work if lots of people had massive Xbox libraries, which made them locked into the MS ecosystem, but as far as I am aware Xbox missed the train on the previous generation so the big mass of Xbox users necessary to move the idea forward is not there. Last time somebody tried something similar was with the 3DO and it crashed very badly.


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