• I moved to Mystic!

    From Kurisu@21:3/122 to All on Tue Feb 20 19:13:31 2024
    Hi everyone!

    I thought many of you here might be pleased to hear that I've recently changed my entire BBS over to Mystic, and by that, I mean started fresh. Same idea, a clean start, if you will.

    Today I got fsxNet back in action (I'll take care of my other main FTN in a few days) and I'm happy to be running on something fresh.

    There was a, shall we say, unpleasntness growing in the community of my previous BBS software choice and I just can't have that in my hobbies. People here are neat and happen to use (or help with) Mystic and it seemed a natural change, It wasn't the first choice, but when I remembered it being out there, it felt like the right choice.

    It's got a learning curve. Everything does, but clearly if I 'm able to send this message and get replies then I've done something right (not to downplay the help of a certain SYSOP's YouTube videos) and even though there are aspects that feel incredibly arcane.. or sometimes insane... to this, I'm already feeling comfortable enough that I think my board will not only survive but thrive.

    That being said, I'll likely still have a billion and one questions as time passes. After mastering the challenge of just getting message areas to sort into proper groups everything else just feels trivial -- more time than challenge.

    I'm happy with this decision, happy to still be here on fsxNet, and happy to be a part of the BBS community. Can't say I felt the last one in a while, that's for sure.

    Pretty sure everyone here actually supports the ambitious sysop, right? :)

    ~Chris

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Final Zone BBS - final-zone.net.net (21:3/122)
  • From Al@21:4/106 to Kurisu on Wed Feb 21 14:00:12 2024
    Pretty sure everyone here actually supports the ambitious sysop, right? :)

    Sure, we support every sysop regardless of software. :)

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  • From fusion@21:1/616 to Kurisu on Wed Feb 21 17:10:31 2024
    On 20 Feb 2024, Kurisu said the following...

    There was a, shall we say, unpleasntness growing in the community of my previous BBS software choice and I just can't have that in my hobbies.

    sorry, starting off by bad mouthing where you came from shows a lack of integrity.

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  • From Kurisu@21:3/122 to Al on Wed Feb 21 16:10:41 2024
    Sure, we support every sysop regardless of software. :)

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    Just as it should be. Also glad to see you coming in from the great white North of the Rusty Mailbox. Need to stop back in and scour FidoNet sometime ;)

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  • From deon@21:2/116 to Kurisu on Thu Feb 22 10:15:46 2024
    Re: I moved to Mystic!
    By: Kurisu to All on Tue Feb 20 2024 07:13 pm

    Howdy,

    There was a, shall we say, unpleasntness growing in the community of my previous BBS software choice and I just can't have that in my hobbies.

    I dont think the software you use relates to "unpleasantness" - its people. Pretty much everybody is in the same nets, and you'll find those people whereever you are, regardless of the software you use.

    The best strategy is to just "next" past those that irritate you - that's what seems to be most effective.


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  • From Kurisu@21:3/122 to fusion on Wed Feb 21 17:22:13 2024
    On 20 Feb 2024, Kurisu said the following...

    There was a, shall we say, unpleasntness growing in the community of previous BBS software choice and I just can't have that in my hobbies

    sorry, starting off by bad mouthing where you came from shows a lack of integrity.


    If you consider that even to remotely be "bad mouthing" you would have a heart attack at seeing how others act. I consider my phrasing to be a very polite way of contextualizing part of why I chose to change software package.

    How that is a "lack of integrity" is beyond me; it's as if your implying one must ignore any aspect you percieve as negative as to adhere to some vague philisophical concept you place value in on your own arbitrary terms.

    Okay then...

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Final Zone BBS - final-zone.net (21:3/122)
  • From Kurisu@21:3/122 to deon on Wed Feb 21 17:32:15 2024
    I dont think the software you use relates to "unpleasantness" - its people. Pretty much everybody is in the same nets, and you'll find those people whereever you are, regardless of the software you use.

    The problem is when the key and, in a sense, only way of practical support **is** those people. You wish to solve a problem and are met with hostility, rather than assistance.

    If one cannot get support with package A, and package B can do the same job possibly in a better way, and is known to have a more friendly community then it only makes sense to consider moving to option B, especially when that means likely improvements to their whole BBS experience as a SYSOP.

    I'd really rather this not be a discussion obsessed with one particular statement I made to establish context.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Final Zone BBS - final-zone.net (21:3/122)
  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Kurisu on Wed Feb 21 18:16:35 2024
    There was a, shall we say, unpleasntness growing in the community of my previous BBS software choice and I just can't have that in my hobbies.

    Nice - glad you chose Mystic, and fsxNet will give help when needed about topics concerning the software... glad yer here, r0ckstar!



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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Kurisu on Wed Feb 21 18:19:03 2024
    I'd really rather this not be a discussion obsessed with one particular statement I made to establish context.

    It won't be, dude - just move on and enjoy fsxNet. I think its the best FTN in BBSing today; I peruse many others, but you'll find all sorts of good people here.

    Like deon said, just next past negativity and I think you'll find a lot of good. :P



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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Kurisu on Wed Feb 21 21:32:00 2024
    Kurisu wrote to deon <=-

    I dont think the software you use relates to "unpleasantness" - its people. Pretty much everybody is in the same nets, and you'll find those people whereever you are, regardless of the software you use.

    The problem is when the key and, in a sense, only way of
    practical support **is** those people. You wish to solve a
    problem and are met with hostility, rather than assistance.

    Is there *any* possibility that this perceived "hostility" was due to
    not following suggested actions and not wanting to bother reading any documentation/instructions, because that was too much work?


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  • From Kurisu@21:3/122 to Gamgee on Thu Feb 22 05:45:12 2024
    Is there *any* possibility that this perceived "hostility" was due to
    not following suggested actions and not wanting to bother reading any documentation/instructions, because that was too much work?

    In this case, no.

    Had I gotten someone saying "?RTFM" and a link to the relevant information, in any capacity, that would have been a welcome answer, as it would have actually been helpful. Inststead I was given what can be summed up as a "people won't care so don't bother" response, which I consider quite defeatist.

    Given that I could not find the relevant information, in the docs, nor did anyone point such out that I may have missed, I an only presume the actions I wished to take are not documented in any meaningful way I could find, hence why I asked in the the net which is most apt for that software package. My post was actually my best inferrance on how the process would work, and I was hoping to get even just a simple "yeah, you got it" or a "no, you have to do this" but instead got what I got..

    I should have asked here, or on another net, but given that the network I inquired in is the "home" of that software, in a sense, it made sense to ask there. When you combine that kind of reaction to me wanting to create something with the other abject hostility of a rather unregylated area, and other minor issues which many people have reported have been ignored, I decided it was best to go to something else.

    I perhaps could have put a bit more detail on the correlation between the group and the software, but I felt it was of minimal value -- the better thing for me to enjoy running a BBS and creating new things was to change software to a package that I felt would be better for my future goals.

    So far it seems I was right about this change, and am enjoying Mystic greatly. Still has a learning curve but the documentation is better and I've seen in the past few years on fsxNet how helpful its fan and dev base can be.

    In the end, isn't that what matters? Being able to do what you want with a BBS package and enjoying the experience with cool people? That wasn't happening for me previously, and is now.

    :)

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Final Zone BBS - final-zone.net (21:3/122)
  • From Kurisu@21:3/122 to paulie420 on Thu Feb 22 11:14:23 2024
    Like deon said, just next past negativity and I think you'll find a lot
    of good. :P

    Yeah man,. that's the idea moving forward. :)

    Which, on the net subject, since it's part of the catalyst for all this, my friends and I are planning on getting our net set up via proper FTN, if you're still interested. :)

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    * Origin: Final Zone BBS - final-zone.net (21:3/122)
  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Kurisu on Thu Feb 22 18:22:13 2024
    Which, on the net subject, since it's part of the catalyst for all this, my friends and I are planning on getting our net set up via proper FTN,
    if you're still interested. :)

    Right - that was the phreaker oriented FTN right? Is it SFNet - I had the infopack and just haven't added yet. I don't mind QWK, but would add FTN too.

    I *may* be thinking of two different FTNs, but I don't think so - I think I saw yours on Alpha Complex BBS???



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  • From Kurisu@21:3/122 to paulie420 on Fri Feb 23 00:55:14 2024
    Right - that was the phreaker oriented FTN right?

    It was the phreak related one - Revertive Pulse.

    This weekend we're probably going to begin setting things up in earnest and I'll make a new infopack and update you. I just need to sit down and devote time to it.

    www.xadara.com

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Final Zone BBS - final-zone.net (21:3/122)
  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Kurisu on Fri Feb 23 18:09:43 2024
    Right - that was the phreaker oriented FTN right?

    It was the phreak related one - Revertive Pulse.

    This weekend we're probably going to begin setting things up in earnest and I'll make a new infopack and update you. I just need to sit down and devote time to it.

    Right - yea, I grabbed the RPNet infopack but DIDN'T set it up... will you always keep QWK support, or fully change over to FTN?

    (If its the former, I'll try to get it up ASAP - if moving to FTN fully, I'll wait for the new infopack.)



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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Kurisu on Sun Feb 25 13:01:03 2024
    On 20 Feb 2024 at 07:13p, Kurisu pondered and said...

    Today I got fsxNet back in action (I'll take care of my other main FTN
    in a few days) and I'm happy to be running on something fresh.

    [snip]

    That being said, I'll likely still have a billion and one questions as time passes. After mastering the challenge of just getting message areas to sort into proper groups everything else just feels trivial -- more
    time than challenge.

    I'm happy with this decision, happy to still be here on fsxNet, and
    happy to be a part of the BBS community. Can't say I felt the last one

    Hi Chris

    I hope you enjoy playing with Mystic and/or any other BBS software that takes your fancy. You'll find the guys here supportive and helpful, that's been the general ethos from the get go.

    I'm not as active here as I could be but if I can help with questions feel free to netmail me or echomail post here etc. and I'll do my best answer them.

    Thanks for being part of the fsx community.

    Best, Paul

    Kerr Avon [Blake's 7] 'I'm not expendable, I'm not stupid and I'm not going' avon[at]bbs.nz | bbs.nz | fsxnet.nz

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  • From Kurisu@21:3/122 to paulie420 on Sat Feb 24 18:20:45 2024
    Right - yea, I grabbed the RPNet infopack but DIDN'T set it up... will
    you always keep QWK support, or fully change over to FTN?

    Likely going to change over to strictly FTN. I think I'm comfortable with the concepts now, especially in relation to how Mystic handles the setup of all that stuff. Plus the benefits like Netmail and (debatably) easier network file bases, if RPNet ever goes that route.

    It's a goal this week to get a friends board set up on it and, if that's good, try to make a coherent infopack for the FTN version and move ahead from that.

    Me? Make a FTN network? Challenge accepted!

    www.xadara.com

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Final Zone BBS - final-zone.net (21:3/122)
  • From Kurisu@21:3/122 to Avon on Sat Feb 24 18:52:44 2024
    I hope you enjoy playing with Mystic and/or any other BBS software that takes your fancy. You'll find the guys here supportive and helpful,
    that's been the general ethos from the get go.

    Really enjoying it over the past week. Learning new things day by day, figuring out how all the pieces go together.

    I'm not as active here as I could be but if I can help with questions feel free to netmail me or echomail post here etc. and I'll do my best Av> answer them.

    I appreciate that. Your videos have helped plenty and, even with them being on the older side, when combined with inferance and the wiki I seem to be holding together.

    Thanks for being part of the fsx community.

    I'm happy to be here. Haven't been too active over the past few years but since my interest in running a BBS and the community has grown again recently, I'm going to try my best to contribute to the awesome community that is here. :)

    www.xadara.com

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Final Zone BBS - final-zone.net (21:3/122)
  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Kurisu on Sun Feb 25 14:18:27 2024
    On 24 Feb 2024 at 06:52p, Kurisu pondered and said...

    I appreciate that. Your videos have helped plenty and, even with them being on the older side, when combined with inferance and the wiki I
    seem to be holding together.

    The videos have become a bit like me 'old the older side' :)

    I'm happy to be here. Haven't been too active over the past few years
    but since my interest in running a BBS and the community has grown again recently, I'm going to try my best to contribute to the awesome
    community that is here. :)

    Cheers bud, appreciate that.

    Kerr Avon [Blake's 7] 'I'm not expendable, I'm not stupid and I'm not going' avon[at]bbs.nz | bbs.nz | fsxnet.nz

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Mike Dippel@21:2/125 to Kurisu on Sat Feb 24 21:13:42 2024
    I'm happy to be here. Haven't been too active over the past few years
    but since my interest in running a BBS and the community has grown again recently, I'm going to try my best to contribute to the awesome
    community that is here. :)

    www.xadara.com


    Glad you are into BBS'ing. If you are looking for a network to join, please consider HobbyNet. Check kit out at: https://hobbynet.hobbyline.com

    Mike Dippel
    Mystic Hobbies BBS, mystic-hobbies.com
    Sun City Center, FL
    HobbyNet Hub

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  • From Kurisu@21:3/122 to Mike Dippel on Sun Feb 25 06:12:22 2024
    please consider HobbyNet. Check kit out at:

    That's actuall on the agenda :)

    www.xadara.com

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Final Zone BBS - final-zone.net (21:3/122)
  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to paulie420 on Sun Feb 25 09:42:00 2024
    paulie420 wrote to Kurisu <=-

    Right - yea, I grabbed the RPNet infopack but DIDN'T set it up... will
    you always keep QWK support, or fully change over to FTN?

    Could you post a link to the RPnet infopack or send it my way? I haven't
    heard of them.





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  • From Kurisu@21:3/122 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Feb 25 13:08:29 2024
    Could you post a link to the RPnet infopack or send it my way? I haven't heard of them.

    Revertive Pulse is an absolute baby of a network; not even fully born, one could say. Started at the end of January with a couple of friends in the Phone Phreak scene, as a SIG but also as a chance for me to see if I could make a network, well, work. QWK only originally, but I intended to go FTN, but wanted to understand the tech better and feel confident before I made that change.

    Once it's back to life and known working I'll update the infopack and promote it properly. I'll make a note to let you knwo when it's ready again.

    www.xadara.com

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Final Zone BBS - final-zone.net (21:3/122)
  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Kurisu on Sun Feb 25 11:33:26 2024
    Re: Re: I moved to Mystic!
    By: Kurisu to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Feb 25 2024 01:08 pm

    Revertive Pulse is an absolute baby of a network; not even fully born, one could say. Started at the end of January with a couple of friends in the Phone Phreak scene, as a SIG but also as a chance for me to see if I could make a network, well, work. QWK only originally, but I intended to go FTN, but wanted to understand the tech better and feel confident before I made that change.


    I'm a former telecom manager in a former life. I managed Nortel and Avaya switches in the 90s, was one of the few telco people I knew who knew networking and PBXes and had a lot of fun in the early days of VOIP PBXes. Was indirectly connected to the scene in the '90s and interested to see the current state of affairs. I'm familiar with Fido tech, been running a BBS since 1991 and would love to help any way I can.

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  • From Kurisu@21:3/122 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Feb 25 14:17:07 2024
    I'm a former telecom manager in a former life. I managed Nortel and Avaya switches in the 90s, was one of the few telco people I knew who knew networking and PBXes and had a lot of fun in the early days of VOIP
    PBXes. Was indirectly connected to the scene in the '90s and interested
    to see the current state of affairs. I'm familiar with Fido tech, been running a BBS since 1991 and would love to help any way I can.

    Oh, awesome! You'd fit right in with some of the other menbers of our little group for sure!

    I also of course appreciate your offer of assistance! If I run into an issue I';ll keep you in mind. :)

    www.xadara.com

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Final Zone BBS - final-zone.net (21:3/122)
  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Feb 25 20:04:06 2024
    Right - yea, I grabbed the RPNet infopack but DIDN'T set it up... wil you always keep QWK support, or fully change over to FTN?

    Could you post a link to the RPnet infopack or send it my way? I haven't heard of them.

    Search msgs for RPNet.

    I think they are new and are changing right now, tho - might be best to wait for RPNet FTN infopack.



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  • From Ewing@21:3/153 to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Feb 26 19:32:39 2024
    I'm a former telecom manager in a former life. I managed Nortel and Avaya switches in the 90s, was one of the few telco people I knew who knew networking and PBXes and had a lot of fun in the early days of VOIP PBXes. Was indirectly connected to the scene in the '90s and interested to see the current state of affairs. I'm familiar with Fido tech, been running a BBS since 1991 and would love to help any way I can.

    That's awesome.

    I'm another telecom geek here - my house even runs on an Avaya Definity (Communication Manager) PBX so I'm certainly looking forward to participating in Revertive Pulse once it's ready!
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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to All on Wed Feb 28 17:12:49 2024
    Re: Re: I moved to Mystic!
    By: Kurisu to Gamgee on Thu Feb 22 2024 05:45 am

    Is there *any* possibility that this perceived "hostility" was due to not following suggested actions and not wanting to bother reading any documentation/instructions, because that was too much work?

    In this case, no.

    Had I gotten someone saying "?RTFM" and a link to the relevant information, in any capacity, that would have been a welcome answer, as it would have actually been helpful. Inststead I was given what can be summed up as a "people won't care so don't bother" response, which I consider quite defeatist.

    Given that I could not find the relevant information, in the docs, nor did anyone point such out that I may have missed, I an only presume the actions I wished to take are not documented in any meaningful way I could find, hence why I asked in the the net which is most apt for that software package. My post was actually my best inferrance on how the process would work, and I was hoping to get even just a simple "yeah, you got it" or a "no, you have to do this" but instead got what I got..

    I should have asked here, or on another net, but given that the network I inquired in is the "home" of that software, in a sense, it made sense to ask there. When you combine that kind of reaction to me wanting to create something with the other abject hostility of a rather unregylated area, and other minor issues which many people have reported have been ignored, I decided it was best to go to something else.

    I perhaps could have put a bit more detail on the correlation between the group and the software, but I felt it was of minimal value -- the better thing for me to enjoy running a BBS and creating new things was to change software to a package that I felt would be better for my future goals.

    If you're like me and curious what this guy was referring to, best I can determine it was this short message thread in SYNC_SYSOPS:
    https://web.synchro.net/finalthread.txt <shrug>

    So far it seems I was right about this change, and am enjoying Mystic greatly. Still has a learning curve but the documentation is better and I've seen in the past few years on fsxNet how helpful its fan and dev base can be.

    I'm glad he found a BBS software 'fan and dev base' and documentation more to his liking. The Mystic BBS software is very good as well. :-)
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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to Digital Man on Wed Feb 28 19:42:50 2024
    On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 23:12:48 -0800, Digital Man -> All wrote:

    If you're like me and curious what this guy was referring to, best I can determine it was this short message thread in SYNC_SYSOPS: https://web.synchro.net/finalthread.txt <shrug>

    Damnit, was that ever anti-climactic, and short lived.

    THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID! :D

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Digital Man on Wed Feb 28 20:45:00 2024
    Digital Man wrote to All <=-

    Re: Re: I moved to Mystic!
    By: Kurisu to Gamgee on Thu Feb 22 2024 05:45 am

    Is there *any* possibility that this perceived "hostility" was due to not following suggested actions and not wanting to bother reading any documentation/instructions, because that was too much work?

    In this case, no.

    Had I gotten someone saying "?RTFM" and a link to the relevant information, in any capacity, that would have been a welcome answer, as it would have actually been helpful. Inststead I was given what can be summed up as a "people won't care so don't bother" response, which I consider quite defeatist.

    Given that I could not find the relevant information, in the docs, nor did anyone point such out that I may have missed, I an only presume the actions I wished to take are not documented in any meaningful way I could find, hence why I asked in the the net which is most apt for that software package. My post was actually my best inferrance on how the process would work, and I was hoping to get even just a simple "yeah, you got it" or a "no, you have to do this" but instead got what I got..

    I should have asked here, or on another net, but given that the network I inquired in is the "home" of that software, in a sense, it made sense to ask there. When you combine that kind of reaction to me wanting to create something with the other abject hostility of a rather unregylated area, and other minor issues which many people have reported have been ignored, I decided it was best to go to something else.

    I perhaps could have put a bit more detail on the correlation between the group and the software, but I felt it was of minimal value -- the better thing for me to enjoy running a BBS and creating new things was to change software to a package that I felt would be better for my future goals.

    If you're like me and curious what this guy was referring to,
    best I can determine it was this short message thread in
    SYNC_SYSOPS: https://web.synchro.net/finalthread.txt <shrug>

    Yep, this dude's a real wanker. He was given suggestions in echomail
    and (I think) in the IRC channel as well, but didn't want to bother
    putting any effort into reading anything (Wiki).

    So far it seems I was right about this change, and am enjoying Mystic greatly. Still has a learning curve but the documentation is better and I've seen in the past few years on fsxNet how helpful its fan and dev base can be.

    I'm glad he found a BBS software 'fan and dev base' and
    documentation more to his liking. The Mystic BBS software is very
    good as well. :-)

    LOL yeah, as long as one likes closed-source software where the author
    goes missing for months at a time.

    For a real good time, read this guy's blog here, specifically the first article:

    https://www.xadara.com/



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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Digital Man on Wed Feb 28 17:37:04 2024
    I'm glad he found a BBS software 'fan and dev base' and documentation
    more to his liking. The Mystic BBS software is very good as well. :-)

    I enjoy your tongue-in-cheek response, if thats the way you meant it - while I prefer USING Mystic, Synchronet IMO is the better documented (current!) and more capable BBS software hands down. IMO it is developed now better than it was in its heyday and thats a huge thing!

    The reason I choose Mystic, and assume many other ops that do is that customization is easier to do w/o current-day code and deep modification - meaning; if a sysop took Synchro and added/modified Java code they could push it way further than other BBS softwares. Most just... don't.

    Examples of what I mean can be found in several;
    Broken Bubble
    Digital Distortion
    Electronic Chicken
    Fat Cat's
    ... and many other's I don't remember right now - the one sysop with the blog & ANSI animation. These are examples of sysops who put the time, work and code into Synchronet and made it far beyond a normal SynchroBBS.

    Ok, coming off my soap box.



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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Accession on Wed Feb 28 19:10:42 2024
    If you're like me and curious what this guy was referring to, best I determine it was this short message thread in SYNC_SYSOPS: https://web.synchro.net/finalthread.txt <shrug>

    Damnit, was that ever anti-climactic, and short lived.

    I wouldn't have thought that Nelgin would have sent the message they did - which is fine... I 'get' it - I wanted to support this new network, but didn't want to add it if the OP wasn't going to stand behind it for years... [LOL] but I don't think that type of response helps new BBS people want to stick around for that long.

    I didn't put 2 + 2 together and realize that the poster who 'left sync for mystic' was the same guy who wanted to create a phreaker FTN/message network.

    Listen - 4 years ago I was the new guy... while MANY new guys come and go, some genuinely want to be in the BBS community. I think we should support that.

    Kurisu - I want to join yer FTN/message network; I love ALL the message bases that I saw on Alpha's BBS... I actually *do* like the QWK format cause its so easy to add/poll from - but I'm waiting for yer new infopack w/ FTN/fido infoz. The one thing I say to you is - use whatever you like... I wasn't worried to add a QWK network; Weednet runs BOTH QWK/Fido. Regardless of whether you were met with kindness or not, you can run both - or whatever you choose... I just don't want to add a network thats around for a year and goes away. I BELIEVE thats what Nelgin was saying, but think it was premature - we have to recieve new BBS community members and push them to want to stick around...

    That being said; I think Kurisu will find help on FTNs like tqwNet; deon and MeaTLoTioN know ALL about HUBS and FTN networks and are always willing to help explain things... they won't do it for you, or give everything on a silver platter - but there is help and support out there.

    Digital Man - I hear you, and love how you let almost anything on DoveNet...

    [not DM]
    If we push them all away, they'll go... away. SOME people just want to land
    on advice and community - at first, thats a bunch of stupid questions that we all have experienced... then, a year later its still blah blah, but with a little more knowledge - and 4 years down the line its someone who is a part of our community.

    Nelgin - I always respect you and know you've been here way longer than me - but this was a shitty response. Thats OK - but it didn't help Synchro keep a new OP. Maybe thats not what they want/need... kk.

    For the future of BBSing, we can't just help old heads who have ran systems since dialup. We have to embrace the new folks and help them; SOME will be the future, when we're not here.



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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to Gamgee on Wed Feb 28 19:44:08 2024
    Re: Re: I moved to Mystic!
    By: Gamgee to Digital Man on Wed Feb 28 2024 08:45 pm

    For a real good time, read this guy's blog here, specifically the first article:

    https://www.xadara.com/

    Wow. I guess my speculation was correct. Wow.
    --
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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to paulie420 on Wed Feb 28 19:58:34 2024
    Re: Re: I moved to Mystic!
    By: paulie420 to Digital Man on Wed Feb 28 2024 05:37 pm

    I'm glad he found a BBS software 'fan and dev base' and documentation more to his liking. The Mystic BBS software is very good as well. :-)

    I enjoy your tongue-in-cheek response, if thats the way you meant it - while

    Yeah, but maybe not in the way you think. I didn't mean in comparison to Synchronet (Mystic *is* very good software), but rather in comparison to the Synchronet 'fan and dev base' and documentation, since those were the referenced motivating factors.

    Everyone is of course free to make their BBS software choices based on whatever criteria they choose and don't need to justify their decisions to anyone but themselves. But this guy broadcast his reasons here, so I thought I'd help clear up the mystery. Now we know. <shrug>
    --
    digital man (rob)

    This Is Spinal Tap quote #16:
    David St. Hubbins: I believe virtually everything I read...
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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to paulie420 on Wed Feb 28 20:08:20 2024
    Re: Re: I moved to Mystic!
    By: paulie420 to Accession on Wed Feb 28 2024 07:10 pm

    For the future of BBSing, we can't just help old heads who have ran systems since dialup. We have to embrace the new folks and help them; SOME will be the future, when we're not here.

    I answer support questions and help new sysops every day (I'm pretty sure you already know this). I didn't see any real questions in this guy's one post, so I didn't reply to it. A motivated sysop would've rephrased/posted their question if he was *really* looking for tech support and not just shared enthusiasm, but this guy chose this route instead. I wish him well.
    --
    digital man (rob)

    Synchronet "Real Fact" #3:
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  • From Kurisu@21:3/122 to Digital Man on Thu Feb 29 05:04:57 2024
    sure you already know this). I didn't see any real questions in this
    guy's one post, so I didn't reply to it. A motivated sysop would've


    At the end, after expressing what my understanding of operating a FTN hub is, I askd:

    "Am I correct or way off base?" with regard to my understanding of such.


    I prosed the whole message the way I did as to demonstrate I had tried to get an undertstanding of the subject on my own, rather than just ask "hey guys how do I start a FidoNet style Network" which, ironically, I figured would get the kind of response I got.

    *shrug*

    ______________
    www.xadara.com

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Final Zone BBS - final-zone.net (21:3/122)
  • From Kurisu@21:3/122 to Gamgee on Thu Feb 29 05:39:08 2024
    Yep, this dude's a real wanker. He was given suggestions in echomail
    and (I think) in the IRC channel as well, but didn't want to bother putting any effort into reading anything (Wiki).

    You most certainly have me confused with someone else, as I was most certainly haven't been on IRC and never got any echomail regarding anything of the sort.

    Lastly, if there is somewhere on some magical wiki that does demonstrate these steps I'd not only love to see it but also should point out that a link to such would be the optimal response to my original inquiry that was the catalyst for all this.

    If a clear and concise set of instructions is out there, it is certainly buried deeper than the Kola Borehole.

    ______________
    www.xadara.com

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Final Zone BBS - final-zone.net (21:3/122)
  • From Avon@21:1/101 to All on Fri Mar 1 08:46:40 2024
    On 29 Feb 2024 at 05:39a, Kurisu pondered and said...

    Yep, this dude's a real wanker. He was given suggestions in echomail and (I think) in the IRC channel as well, but didn't want to bother putting any effort into reading anything (Wiki).

    You most certainly have me confused with someone else, as I was most certainly haven't been on IRC and never got any echomail regarding anything of the sort.

    Hi guys.

    This thread is now way off topic (the message area is about Mystic BBS and support for it).

    Please move future correspondence across to netmail should you feel the need to continue to discuss.

    Thanks all.

    Kerr Avon [Blake's 7] 'I'm not expendable, I'm not stupid and I'm not going' avon[at]bbs.nz | bbs.nz | fsxnet.nz

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Kurisu@21:3/122 to Avon on Thu Feb 29 14:08:13 2024
    Thank you.

    ______________
    www.xadara.com

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Final Zone BBS - final-zone.net (21:3/122)
  • From Accession@21:1/200 to paulie420 on Thu Feb 29 18:37:58 2024
    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 01:10:42 -0800, Paulie420 -> Accession wrote:

    I wouldn't have thought that Nelgin would have sent the message they did -

    I did.

    I didn't put 2 + 2 together and realize that the poster who 'left sync for mystic' was the same guy who wanted to create a phreaker FTN/message network.

    Me either. I didn't realize it until DM posted the message.

    Listen - 4 years ago I was the new guy... while MANY new guys come and go, some
    genuinely want to be in the BBS community. I think we should support that.

    I completely agree.

    That being said; I think Kurisu will find help on FTNs like tqwNet; deon and
    MeaTLoTioN know ALL about HUBS and FTN networks and are always willing to help
    explain things... they won't do it for you, or give everything on a silver platter - but there is help and support out there.

    Most definitely. However, once someone realizes you want them to do all the work for you - rather than 'help', just so you can shut your system(s) down within 6 months with no skin in the game, is a different story. I've had
    this happen way too many times.

    If we push them all away, they'll go... away. SOME people just want to land on advice and community - at first, thats a bunch of stupid questions that we
    all have experienced... then, a year later its still blah blah, but with a little more knowledge - and 4 years down the line its someone who is a part of
    our community.

    Agreed. But if you're not willing to RTFM and/or take the help given and
    thrive with it, others will soon give up - realizing that you're not
    putting in any effort.

    For the future of BBSing, we can't just help old heads who have ran systems since dialup. We have to embrace the new folks and help them; SOME will be the
    future, when we're not here.

    Unfortunately, I'm considered an 'old head' these days. Although, I can
    brag that I once had an apprentice named Avon, and he is still around. I'd argue that he didn't turn out all that bad, either. :)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to Kurisu on Thu Feb 29 18:55:34 2024
    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 11:04:56 -0600, Kurisu -> Digital Man wrote:

    I prosed the whole message the way I did as to demonstrate I had tried to get
    an undertstanding of the subject on my own, rather than just ask "hey guys how
    do I start a FidoNet style Network" which, ironically, I figured would get the
    kind of response I got.

    You got one response. Just one, dude. Unlucky that it was from him, I
    agree. But you basically packed up your stuff, made a pretty shitty blog
    post, then went to another network (where quite a few people that are in
    THAT network also frequent THIS network) and trash talked it and the
    software it stands by.

    Also, before "hey guys how do I start a Fidonet style network" you should probably have a little more understanding as to how FTN actually works, if right now you're at a point where you can't even figure out how to be a
    regular node in an existing network. I'm not sure how many times in the
    recent past I've seen:

    "I mean it broke and I don’t want to deal with it."

    .. or something similar from you.

    There are plenty of us here and willing to help, but don't think that
    you're going to learn FTN and how to set it all up overnight, and nobody is going to just do it for you.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to Kurisu on Thu Feb 29 19:01:50 2024
    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 11:39:08 -0600, Kurisu -> Gamgee wrote:

    If a clear and concise set of instructions is out there, it is certainly buried
    deeper than the Kola Borehole.
    There isn't any instructions on how to run an FTN network, and I doubt
    there will ever be. Every software's configuration is different. Learn the technology first (there's TONS of documentation out there regarding this),
    then knowing how things work from the coordinator's side of the fence comes
    a lot easier.

    Also, more precise questions regarding more specific things that are
    confusing you will also will get answered a lot faster than something as
    broad as what you asked.

    Just my two cents..

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Accession on Fri Mar 1 14:35:42 2024
    On 29 Feb 2024 at 06:37p, Accession pondered and said...

    Unfortunately, I'm considered an 'old head' these days. Although, I can brag that I once had an apprentice named Avon, and he is still around.
    I'd argue that he didn't turn out all that bad, either. :)


    Well I still have some hair left.... does that count. TMI :) ??

    In many respects quite a few of us are ahem 'older' heads now .. cassette tapes, VHS va Beta Max, Color TV, Boom Boxes, Casio digital watches and calculator games, Space Shuttle LED gameboy ?? games.. Speak N Spell (not the album ;-)) ... Fido in the 90s, dial up, dial up SLIP accounts to Unix logins, toll calls.. of the toll of toll calls... War Games (movie)... Whiz Kids TV show from 80s.... and on it goes... :)

    Kerr Avon [Blake's 7] 'I'm not expendable, I'm not stupid and I'm not going' avon[at]bbs.nz | bbs.nz | fsxnet.nz

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Accession@21:1/200 to Avon on Thu Feb 29 19:46:18 2024
    On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 20:35:42 +1300, Avon -> Accession wrote:

    Well I still have some hair left.... does that count. TMI :) ??

    Yeah, TMI. :)

    In many respects quite a few of us are ahem 'older' heads now ..
    cassette tapes, VHS va Beta Max, Color TV, Boom Boxes, Casio digital watches and calculator games, Space Shuttle LED gameboy ?? games..
    Speak N Spell (not the album ;-)) ... Fido in the 90s, dial up, dial up SLIP accounts to Unix logins, toll calls.. of the toll of toll calls...
    War Games (movie)... Whiz Kids TV show from 80s.... and on it goes... :)

    Jeez, you ARE old!

    Just kidding, pretty sure I can check off just about all of the above as
    well.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Digital Man on Thu Feb 29 17:46:13 2024
    I answer support questions and help new sysops every day (I'm pretty
    sure you already know this). I didn't see any real questions in this
    guy's one post, so I didn't reply to it. A motivated sysop would've rephrased/posted their question if he was *really* looking for tech support and not just shared enthusiasm, but this guy chose this route instead. I wish him well. --

    100% - you do much more than most folks; I have admiration that Synchronet still lives. (I wish it still warranted paper print ads in Boardwatch!)



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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Accession on Fri Mar 1 17:30:05 2024
    On 29 Feb 2024 at 07:46p, Accession pondered and said...

    Jeez, you ARE old!

    Yes the smooth lines of this font belie the truth :)

    Just kidding, pretty sure I can check off just about all of the above as well.

    ..as will a few others of us... righto, will drop this thread now, I'm off topic too unless I talk about history of Mystic etc.. :)

    Kerr Avon [Blake's 7] 'I'm not expendable, I'm not stupid and I'm not going' avon[at]bbs.nz | bbs.nz | fsxnet.nz

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Accession on Fri Mar 1 06:29:00 2024
    Accession wrote to paulie420 <=-

    Agreed. But if you're not willing to RTFM and/or take the help given
    and thrive with it, others will soon give up - realizing that you're
    not putting in any effort.

    I guess we're a different generation. I remember being excited about
    finding a printer at work, printing out the Binkley and Max manuals and
    poring over them at night. I was amazed at all you could do with a DOS
    machine and a handful of software.

    Getting toll-aware polling to work, getting maintenance running in the
    batch file, and having it all come together was exciting.

    I joke that it's never really worked 100% since then, and continuing to
    tweak and fix it is what keeps my interest in running a BBS. :)



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  • From Bucko@21:4/131 to Avon on Fri Mar 1 18:25:58 2024
    On 01 Mar 2024, Avon said the following...

    Well I still have some hair left.... does that count. TMI :) ??

    In many respects quite a few of us are ahem 'older' heads now ..
    cassette tapes, VHS va Beta Max, Color TV, Boom Boxes, Casio digital watches and calculator games, Space Shuttle LED gameboy ?? games..
    Speak N Spell (not the album ;-)) ... Fido in the 90s, dial up, dial up SLIP accounts to Unix logins, toll calls.. of the toll of toll calls... War Games (movie)... Whiz Kids TV show from 80s.... and on it goes... :)


    God, I am old!! I lived through all of that, including Buster Brown shoes (Not sure if they were available on the other side of the world)... Oh and don't forget the little 6oz I think milk containers at school!

    ... The seminar on time travel will be held two weeks ago

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Linux/64)
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  • From Geri Atricks@21:4/102 to Bucko on Fri Mar 1 19:09:51 2024

    Well I still have some hair left.... does that count. TMI :) ??

    In many respects quite a few of us are ahem 'older' heads now .. cassette tapes, VHS va Beta Max, Color TV, Boom Boxes, Casio digital watches and calculator games, Space Shuttle LED gameboy ?? games.. Speak N Spell (not the album ;-)) ... Fido in the 90s, dial up, dial SLIP accounts to Unix logins, toll calls.. of the toll of toll calls. War Games (movie)... Whiz Kids TV show from 80s.... and on it goes...


    God, I am old!! I lived through all of that, including Buster Brown
    shoes (Not sure if they were available on the other side of the
    world)... Oh and don't forget the little 6oz I think milk containers at school!

    My high school still had teletypes in the computer lab and punch tape in the print shop.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Legends of Yesteryear (furmenservices.net:23322) (21:4/102)
  • From Accession@21:1/200 to Avon on Fri Mar 1 19:30:50 2024
    On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 23:30:04 +1300, Avon -> Accession wrote:

    ..as will a few others of us... righto, will drop this thread now, I'm
    off topic too unless I talk about history of Mystic etc.. :)

    Mystic is about as old as dirt, too! :)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From ogg@21:2/147 to Geri Atricks on Fri Mar 1 20:18:40 2024
    ....
    God, I am old!! I lived through all of that, including Buster Brown shoes (Not sure if they were available on the other side of the world)... Oh and don't forget the little 6oz I think milk containers a

    school!

    My high school still had teletypes in the computer lab and punch tape in the print shop.

    We must be of the same vintage! I learned to program (basic) on a teletype
    and paper tapes.

    ogg
    Sysop, Altair IV BBS
    altairiv.ddns.net:2323

    ... I'm not a complete idiot... Several parts are missing!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2023/04/30 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Altair IV BBS (21:2/147)
  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Bucko on Sat Mar 2 19:50:54 2024
    On 01 Mar 2024 at 06:25p, Bucko pondered and said...

    God, I am old!! I lived through all of that, including Buster Brown
    shoes (Not sure if they were available on the other side of the
    world)... Oh and don't forget the little 6oz I think milk containers at school!

    Welcome to the club, here in NZ we didn't get the 6oz milk containers but I do recall after school drinks at home with milk and a flavoring called Quic. There was chocolate, banana and strawberry flavors.

    I may shift this thread over to FSX_GEN now. so will cross pot it there.

    Kerr Avon [Blake's 7] 'I'm not expendable, I'm not stupid and I'm not going' avon[at]bbs.nz | bbs.nz | fsxnet.nz

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Geri Atricks on Sat Mar 2 08:42:00 2024
    Geri Atricks wrote to Bucko <=-

    My high school still had teletypes in the computer lab and punch tape
    in the print shop.

    (handle checks out)

    My high school had Commodore CBMs, like a Pet but with a real keyboard,
    80 columns and 32K of memory. The professor brought in a small WANG
    computer that read punched cards for data entry and had us all use it.
    We didn't understand why, he just asked us to trust him, we'd
    understand.

    So, technically, I started out programming with punch cards. :)




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  • From Geri Atricks@21:4/102 to ogg on Sat Mar 2 13:29:33 2024
    We must be of the same vintage! I learned to program (basic) on a
    teletype and paper tapes.

    DOB: 04 FEB 1968

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Legends of Yesteryear (furmenservices.net:23322) (21:4/102)
  • From Geri Atricks@21:4/102 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Mar 2 13:35:34 2024
    My high school had Commodore CBMs, like a Pet but with a real keyboard,
    80 columns and 32K of memory. The professor brought in a small WANG computer that read punched cards for data entry and had us all use it.
    We didn't understand why, he just asked us to trust him, we'd
    understand.

    <Snickers like a 10 year old> you said Wang! :) :P :D


    Heaven forbid that you drop those cards and they get out of order. :)
    Our lab had 2 teletypes and 2 CBM's. I learned COMOL on the CBM's. To this day I sill like the old commodore dual floppy unit, because it did a bit copy, so you could copy a floppy for any OS/Computer. Had to use it to make backups of the install disks for the few XT's that we had in the offices.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Legends of Yesteryear (furmenservices.net:23322) (21:4/102)
  • From ogg@21:2/147 to Geri Atricks on Sat Mar 2 14:03:22 2024
    On 02 Mar 2024, Geri Atricks said the following...

    We must be of the same vintage! I learned to program (basic) on a teletype and paper tapes.

    DOB: 04 FEB 1968

    I'm a 1956.

    ogg
    Sysop, Altair IV BBS
    altairiv.ddns.net:2323

    ... There is an exception to every rule, except this one.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2023/04/30 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Altair IV BBS (21:2/147)
  • From ogg@21:2/147 to Geri Atricks on Sat Mar 2 14:06:15 2024
    Heaven forbid that you drop those cards and they get out of order. :)

    I saw a senior (in college) do that to a full box late one night. I thought he was going to break down and cry.

    ogg
    Sysop, Altair IV BBS
    altairiv.ddns.net:2323

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2023/04/30 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Altair IV BBS (21:2/147)
  • From niter3@21:1/199 to Accession on Sat Mar 2 21:12:31 2024

    Most definitely. However, once someone realizes you want them to do all the work for you - rather than 'help', just so you can shut your
    system(s) down within 6 months with no skin in the game, is a different story. I've had this happen way too many times.

    I remember you once said something like this to me back in 2007. :)

    I am still kicking . ;)

    ... Everyone smiles in the same language.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2023/04/30 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Clutch BBS * telnet://clutchbbs.com (21:1/199)
  • From Accession@21:1/200 to niter3 on Sat Mar 2 21:51:06 2024
    On Sun, 3 Mar 2024 03:12:30 -0500, Niter3 -> Accession wrote:

    Most definitely. However, once someone realizes you want them to do all
    the work for you - rather than 'help', just so you can shut your
    system(s) down within 6 months with no skin in the game, is a different
    story. I've had this happen way too many times.

    I remember you once said something like this to me back in 2007. :)

    I am still kicking . ;)

    Love it! I appreciate everything you do to keep this hobby going, and
    have been around to witness you do things to help this hobby even!

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Take my advice, I don't use it anyway."
    --- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:115.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderb
    * Origin: _thePharcyde distribution system (Wisconsin) (21:1/200)
  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Accession on Sun Mar 3 21:23:52 2024
    On 01 Mar 2024 at 07:30p, Accession pondered and said...

    Mystic is about as old as dirt, too! :)

    True dat.

    Kerr Avon [Blake's 7] 'I'm not expendable, I'm not stupid and I'm not going' avon[at]bbs.nz | bbs.nz | fsxnet.nz

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Avon@21:1/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Mar 3 21:26:21 2024
    On 02 Mar 2024 at 08:42a, poindexter FORTRAN pondered and said...

    My high school had Commodore CBMs, like a Pet but with a real keyboard,
    80 columns and 32K of memory. The professor brought in a small WANG computer that read punched cards for data entry and had us all use it.
    We didn't understand why, he just asked us to trust him, we'd
    understand.

    So, technically, I started out programming with punch cards. :)

    First PC at school a TRS-80, then Apple 2e and a Dick Smith System 80. <-- all of these prepared me for using a PC in the 2000s installing Mystic. (see how I brought it back on topic ;-)

    Kerr Avon [Blake's 7] 'I'm not expendable, I'm not stupid and I'm not going' avon[at]bbs.nz | bbs.nz | fsxnet.nz

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Avon@21:1/101 to ogg on Sun Mar 3 21:27:02 2024
    On 02 Mar 2024 at 02:03p, ogg pondered and said...


    DOB: 04 FEB 1968

    I'm a 1956.

    I'm somewhere in between, so a semi old dude :)

    Kerr Avon [Blake's 7] 'I'm not expendable, I'm not stupid and I'm not going' avon[at]bbs.nz | bbs.nz | fsxnet.nz

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Geri Atricks@21:4/102 to ogg on Sun Mar 3 11:11:38 2024
    Heaven forbid that you drop those cards and they get out of order. :)

    I saw a senior (in college) do that to a full box late one night. I thought he was going to break down and cry.

    Wouldn't have blamed him or shamed him one bit. In fact, I would probably be right there on the floor with him in moral support and pain.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Legends of Yesteryear (furmenservices.net:23322) (21:4/102)
  • From niter3@21:1/199 to Accession on Mon Mar 4 00:11:07 2024
    Love it! I appreciate everything you do to keep this hobby going, and
    have been around to witness you do things to help this hobby even!

    Definetly not as active as you.

    ... Live every day as though it were your last. One day, you'll be right

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2023/04/30 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Clutch BBS * telnet://clutchbbs.com (21:1/199)
  • From Accession@21:1/200 to niter3 on Mon Mar 4 18:06:12 2024
    On Mon, 4 Mar 2024 06:11:06 -0500, Niter3 -> Accession wrote:

    Love it! I appreciate everything you do to keep this hobby going, and
    have been around to witness you do things to help this hobby even!

    Definetly not as active as you.

    I've definitely been at fault for not being around much in the somewhat
    recent past. I'm almost at a point where, if there's no steady
    development in BBS software and/or FTN related software for me to update
    and test (or break, lol), I get bored and do other things. Everything
    I've setup here is fully automated, so there has been times it was
    unattended for months at a time. :(

    I'm working on a little side project (forked Smapinntpd, continuing the
    code and bug fixes, and while Carlos does the same with Jamnntpd,
    I'm/we're trying to keep them both updated and getting the same features
    at the same time) at the moment, so that's keeping me interested.

    How about you? What have you been up to?

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Take my advice, I don't use it anyway."
    --- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:115.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderb
    * Origin: _thePharcyde distribution system (Wisconsin) (21:1/200)
  • From niter3@21:1/199 to Accession on Tue Mar 5 02:13:00 2024
    How about you? What have you been up to?

    Re-write of my paging module as a door.

    Its coming alomg, hopefully I will have it released in the next month.

    Plan to write some other applications after.... Still have some thinking to do kn this.

    Outside of BBS, family, work, etc...

    ... I put a dollar in one of those change machines. Nothing changed.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2023/04/30 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Clutch BBS * telnet://clutchbbs.com (21:1/199)
  • From Accession@21:1/200 to niter3 on Tue Mar 5 18:36:34 2024
    On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 08:13:00 -0500, Niter3 -> Accession wrote:

    Outside of BBS, family, work, etc...

    I hear ya. If the above was a pie chart the BBS part would be a sliver, unfortunately. :(

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Take my advice, I don't use it anyway."
    --- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:115.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderb
    * Origin: _thePharcyde distribution system (Wisconsin) (21:1/200)