Bucko wrote to j0HNNY a1PHA <=-

Thanks.. Appreciate the comment.. Main reason I Went to Proxmox was I
was getting worried about losing my U64 to a lightning hit, or my LT Kernal..

Lots of roads lead to proxmox. :)

I was running a 32-bit OS on a system with 8 GB of RAM and didn't want
the ram above 4GB to go to waste - so I installed Proxmox, virtualized
the BBS, and got enough headroom to run a couple of small VMs on the
same hardware that had run the BBS only. And, Snapshots! I love being
able to take a snapshot before upgrading the BBS.




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On 17 Dec 2023 at 08:14a, poindexter FORTRAN pondered and said...

I was running a 32-bit OS on a system with 8 GB of RAM and didn't want
the ram above 4GB to go to waste - so I installed Proxmox, virtualized
the BBS, and got enough headroom to run a couple of small VMs on the
same hardware that had run the BBS only. And, Snapshots! I love being
able to take a snapshot before upgrading the BBS.

Would it have? If the CPU supports PAE (or the equivalent for
other architectures) you can still make use of the RAM, just
not in a single virtual address space.

None of which means you shouldn't run VMs, though.

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On 17 Dec 2023, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

Lots of roads lead to proxmox. :)

I was running a 32-bit OS on a system with 8 GB of RAM and didn't want
the ram above 4GB to go to waste - so I installed Proxmox, virtualized
the BBS, and got enough headroom to run a couple of small VMs on the
same hardware that had run the BBS only. And, Snapshots! I love being
able to take a snapshot before upgrading the BBS.

Yes indeed they do.. Back in 2018, my plan was to run Virtual Box on a computer I had found in the garbage, install Mystic, C-Net Amiga, and Synchronet on it. Well the system wasn't enough to do it. I ran all of them on seperate computers, then after running 2 Commodore boards on real hardware, I said enough. 1 computer all the systems. 64gigs ram, 8TB storage, and a Ryzen 12 core processor. No issues anymore. It all runs on that machine with Proxmox. Nothing better..

Al

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Hi Bucko,

computer I had found in the garbage, install Mystic, C-Net Amiga, and

[...]

real hardware, I said enough. 1 computer all the systems. 64gigs ram,
8TB storage, and a Ryzen 12 core processor. No issues anymore. It all
runs on that machine with Proxmox. Nothing better..

How are you tackling the mouse issue with a virtual Amiga setup?

Everytime I've tried the various Amiga emulators in a virtual enviroment,
the mouse has gone mad and tracking is a total flop.

It makes using the system a non-starter to begin with.


\/orlon
aka
Stephen

Rocking Amiga 3000 powerd, Linux M68K.



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How are you tackling the mouse issue with a virtual Amiga setup?

Everytime I've tried the various Amiga emulators in a virtual
enviroment,
the mouse has gone mad and tracking is a total flop.

Same question!

Bucko: have you used AmiKit on proxmox?




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Yes indeed they do.. Back in 2018, my plan was to run Virtual Box on a computer I had found in the garbage, install Mystic, C-Net Amiga, and Synchronet on it. Well the system wasn't enough to do it. I ran all of them on seperate computers, then after running 2 Commodore boards on
real hardware, I said enough. 1 computer all the systems. 64gigs ram,
8TB storage, and a Ryzen 12 core processor. No issues anymore. It all
runs on that machine with Proxmox. Nothing better..

How are you running your Amiga boards? I was thinking of using Amithlon but am not sure this would work. I mean, I guess I can just give it a shot but am curious to see how you're doing things.

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Hello Fissile,

12 Dec 23 23:33, you wrote to All:

For those of you not running on remote servers, it'd be really
interesting to see some photos of your actual BBS machine. For those
who are users, it'd be interesting to see what your battlestations / computer setup looks like.

I've always been interested in this. In the early days, a computer
was a device in a room generally used for another purpose. As time
has gone by, the presence of the computer in the room has led to reconfiguration of the rooms themselves to some extent.

So.

Anyone got any photographs?

just took some ! :)

the bbs computer resides in my office, near the entrance :)

http://bbs.roonsbbs.hu/bbs1.jpg
http://bbs.roonsbbs.hu/bbs2.jpg

Regards,
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tenser wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Would it have? If the CPU supports PAE (or the equivalent for
other architectures) you can still make use of the RAM, just
not in a single virtual address space.

I didn't know that - all I knew was that 32-bit Windows would show a
maximum of 3.xGB available.

All I know of PAE are that older Thinkpads supported PAE but didn't
advertise it, so you'd need to jump through hoops to get some 32-bit
linuxes to install. There was a package called "fakepae" that would
report support for it.



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Re: Photographs of your BBS
By: Roon to Fissile Syntax on Tue Dec 19 2023 10:20 am

the bbs computer resides in my office, near the entrance :)

http://bbs.roonsbbs.hu/bbs1.jpg
http://bbs.roonsbbs.hu/bbs2.jpg

Cool :)

Nightfox

On 19 Dec 2023 at 07:15a, poindexter FORTRAN pondered and said...

tenser wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Would it have? If the CPU supports PAE (or the equivalent for
other architectures) you can still make use of the RAM, just
not in a single virtual address space.

I didn't know that - all I knew was that 32-bit Windows would show a maximum of 3.xGB available.

Oh, that's a bummer.

All I know of PAE are that older Thinkpads supported PAE but didn't advertise it, so you'd need to jump through hoops to get some 32-bit linuxes to install. There was a package called "fakepae" that would
report support for it.

Huh. It's enabled by setting a bit in %cr4, and you can
probe support for it via CPUID. My guess is that the
ThinkPad CPU probably supported the CR4 bit (and the updated
page table format) but didn't advertise it in the relevant
CPUID leaf; probably an oversight in the BIOS. :-(

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On 19 Dec 2023, vorlon said the following...

Hi Bucko,

How are you tackling the mouse issue with a virtual Amiga setup?

Everytime I've tried the various Amiga emulators in a virtual enviroment, the mouse has gone mad and tracking is a total flop.

It makes using the system a non-starter to begin with.

Actually, I have no issue at all with it. I have USB mouse ticked in Miscellaneous settings, and I think that is it.. In Proxmox I didn't do anything special for the mouse.. I have heard people having issues, but I have been running in Emulation now for a good 8 months with nothing..

AL

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On 18 Dec 2023, j0HNNY a1PHA said the following...

Same question!

Bucko: have you used AmiKit on proxmox?

No I played with AmiKit free edition one time on a real machine but didn't like the bloat of it, call me a purist. LOL Just a quick add on for mouse issue.. Go to this link and peruse K-Guides install instructions for C-Net Amiga.. I use these settings on my setups and have no issues at all...

http://www.cnetbbs.net/setup-guide-for-running-c-net-in-winuae/

Hope that helps some...

AL

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On 19 Dec 2023, esc said the following...

How are you running your Amiga boards? I was thinking of using Amithlon but am not sure this would work. I mean, I guess I can just give it a
shot but am curious to see how you're doing things.

I am running the C-Net in WinUAE on a Windows base, I just changed it to Tiny11 and it runs fine in Proxmox. I have played with Amithlon, and to be honest, would prefer it, BUT in my case I use the PC version of BinkD to handle my FTN networks instead of AmiBinkD because some people have expressed issues with keeping it running. So. instead of having to run programs to keep that program running, I just run BinkD on the Windows side to send and receive my FTN networks and built a script to import the files on to the Amiga side. WinUAE runs great in Windows, with AOS 3.2.2.1..

If you guys need help getting an Amiga BBS going in WInUAE or in the Winbloze world I can send you my settings file. if it would help...

Al

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No I played with AmiKit free edition one time on a real machine but
didn't like the bloat of it, call me a purist. LOL Just a quick add on
for mouse issue.. Go to this link and peruse K-Guides install
instructions for C-Net Amiga.. I use these settings on my setups and
have no issues at all...

I literally just re-purposed my proxmox server for my Talisman
Ubuntu server... It's a an old but still beefy gaming rig, so thinking
about returning to proxmox, but on another unit. I've got some older PCs
laying around, but they may be underpowered for multiple VMs... I do
love me some proxmox tho


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Hi Bucko,

the mouse has gone mad and tracking is a total flop.

[...]

It makes using the system a non-starter to begin with.

Actually, I have no issue at all with it. I have USB mouse ticked in Miscellaneous settings, and I think that is it.. In Proxmox I didn't
do anything special for the mouse.. I have heard people having issues,
but I have been running in Emulation now for a good 8 months with
nothing..

What about accessing the Amiga system, is that just done through the
proxmox console into the host vm? Or do you also install some sort of
remote acess system? (Ie: anydesk/vnc etc)


\/orlon
aka
Stephen

Rocking Amiga 3000 powerd, Linux M68K.



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On 19 Dec 2023, j0HNNY a1PHA said the following...

I literally just re-purposed my proxmox server for my Talisman
Ubuntu server... It's a an old but still beefy gaming rig, so thinking about returning to proxmox, but on another unit. I've got some older PCs laying around, but they may be underpowered for multiple VMs... I do
love me some proxmox tho

Nothing wrong with underpowered. I used a i3 3.3ghz machine with 32gigs of ram for a Proxmox server and ran 4 VM's on it, it was a bit laggy when I had all 4 of them being accessed or when backups of the VM's were being done, but it worked fine..

Al

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On 20 Dec 2023, vorlon said the following...

Hi Bucko,

What about accessing the Amiga system, is that just done through the proxmox console into the host vm? Or do you also install some sort of remote acess system? (Ie: anydesk/vnc etc)

Right now I am just RDP'ing into it via mRemoreNG.. In the past I have used RealVNC to remote into it, For some reason, the Tiny11 doesn't kick me off RDP like Win 10 32bit did. When it would kick me off it would shut down everything in the Desktop so when I logged back in nothing would be running thus the reason for RealVNC. Due to me not having any extra funds for another APC, and being out of battery protected outlets, I am going to be setting up a RDP/VNC server on a Zimaboard which will be hooked up to another APC I have on the other side of the room which has my son's NAS which he uses as offsite backups for his server at his home 45 minutes away. So I will plug the Zimaboard into that and RealVNC into it and be able to access the boards from mRemoteNG on that. The reason for this is when I pull the main computer off my APC I have to swap in my second NAS because when I lose power here, that thing just turns off, and it being a home brew NAS (Proxmox running Xpenology on a 2 Bay Terramaster) corruption is inevitable. I'm babbling!! Sorry about that..

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tenser wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Huh. It's enabled by setting a bit in %cr4, and you can
probe support for it via CPUID. My guess is that the
ThinkPad CPU probably supported the CR4 bit (and the updated
page table format) but didn't advertise it in the relevant
CPUID leaf; probably an oversight in the BIOS. :-(

It turned out that most of the minimalist Linux distros (and NetBSD)
supported a workaround, so my T42 was able to run for a long time.
Longer than I thought.



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