Arelor wrote to Abbub <=-

Please, request your prize at the nearest Bearded Computer Geek office. You have won this decade's award for keeping alive a computer that
should have died twenty years ago. XD

TIME TO FIRE UP MY TIMEX SINCLAIR
TS1000. IF ONLY I COULD FIND THE
KILLER 16K EXPANSION PAK.



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On 05 May 2023 at 06:12p, beardy pondered and said...

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I like :)

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Hi Arelor,

On Friday May 05 2023, Arelor said to Abbub:

You have won this decade's award for keeping alive a computer that
should have died twenty years ago. XD

I have working each of the following: Amiga 3000, Amiga 4000, Amiga 1200,
Amiga 600. %-)

The are all networked, and have expansions past the base unit. Except the
A4000 it's got the least amount of ram (12mb) that's not on the Accelerator card.


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I have working each of the following: Amiga 3000, Amiga 4000, Amiga
1200, Amiga 600. %-)

Very nice! I have an Amiga 2000 that's networked. Today I'm breaking out the *oldest* computer I have with network capabilities, which is the Commodore
64, so I can test 40-column-mode on the BBS. :D

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How long do you plan to run your new machine? You need nearly 4 years to offset the enviromental cost of manufacturing the new device (2 if your power supplier uses ZERO renewables) and nearly 4 to offset the operational cost at European prices (which SUCK).

Can't speak for GP, but for me, I ran my last NAS for about 13 years or so, did upgrade the drives about 6 years ago... current NAS I've had for about a year now. For my desktop, I've cycled as low as 18 months and as much as 5.5 years... but I always pass my hardware on, and it generally gets used for many years before retiring. My old i7-4790K is still being used by a friend of mine. And my 8(4) core bulldozer before that is still used as a home server by a different friend.

Just because one person isn't using a system, doesn't mean it doesn't see use beyond that person. Although, if I had the room and could handle the cooling and noise for a rack, I'd probably be using used server hardware instead of the Synology NAS and the MinisForum box I'm using for storage and home-server duties today. I also upgraded my network hardware recently. Should be good for 5+ years on that side, while I'll probably upgrade my desktop again next cycle, and my laptop not long after.


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The are all networked, and have expansions past the base unit. Except the A4000 it's got the least amount of ram (12mb) that's not on the Accelerator card.

Any interest in a CS MKII 060 with SCSI?

I have 2x A1200s - one towerized with BPPC and Voodoo 3, pci, etc., the other in a checkmate case with a CS 030 MKIV. I also have an A4000 that needs to be recapped...ugh. And two CD32s :) One of which I should also get rid of.

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Tracker1 wrote to Arelor <=-

generally gets used for many years before retiring. My old i7-4790K is still being used by a friend of mine.

That's the CPU in my daily driver. :)

It seems quite fast enough, appears to benchmark faster than an i5 a
couple of generations newer. I can't do dynamic Zoom backgrounds, but
I'm not worried about that.





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Re: Raspberry Pi
By: Tracker1 to Arelor on Sat May 06 2023 07:57 pm

How long do you plan to run your new machine? You need nearly 4 years t offset the enviromental cost of manufacturing the new device (2 if your power supplier uses ZERO renewables) and nearly 4 to offset the operational cost at European prices (which SUCK).

Can't speak for GP, but for me, I ran my last NAS for about 13 years or so, ss my hardware on, and it generally gets used for many years before retiring

Just because one person isn't using a system, doesn't mean it doesn't see us e MinisForum box I'm using for storage and home-server duties today. I also

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Well, if your use horizon is far away then it makes sense to buy better hardware from the get go, specially if you intend to run it 24/7.

That said, desktop systems skew the maths because those run a couple of hours per day only. Most people I hear talking about upgrading hardware to cut costs or be ecogreen are talking about upgrading desktops. If you run the desktop 6 hours per day it will take you four times longer to recoup the investment.


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generally gets used for many years before retiring. My old i7-4790K
is still being used by a friend of mine.

That's the CPU in my daily driver. :)

It seems quite fast enough, appears to benchmark faster than an i5 a couple of generations newer. I can't do dynamic Zoom backgrounds, but
I'm not worried about that.

Should be good for most general usage, definitely. I mostly notice when doing software builds, debugging or running many services at the same time.

Mine was using a GTX 970 for the first couple years, then a GTX 1080 for the last 3+ I had been using the machine. Passed it down with the 970.


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Well, if your use horizon is far away then it makes sense to buy better hardware from the get go, specially if you intend to run it 24/7.

That said, desktop systems skew the maths because those run a couple of hours per day only. Most people I hear talking about upgrading hardware to cut costs or be ecogreen are talking about upgrading desktops. If you run the desktop 6 hours per day it will take you four times longer to recoup the investment.

Of course, I was merely pointing out that if one person is upgrading that doesn't mean it goes unused... and yeah, I wouldn't suggest that anyone upgrade *just* for going more "green" as you're right, it's usually a falacy vs just using what is already built. Same goes even more so for cars, I'd be more interrested in Electric for performance, speed and tech goodies. They're generally pretty bad for the environment as a whole, let alone issues with power generation where they're already the most popular/trendy.


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Hi Abbub,

On Saturday May 06 2023, Abbub said to Vorlon:

I have working each of the following: Amiga 3000, Amiga 4000, Amiga
1200, Amiga 600. %-)

Very nice! I have an Amiga 2000 that's networked. Today I'm breaking out the *oldest* computer I have with network capabilities, which is the Commodore 64, so I can test 40-column-mode on the BBS. :D

I sold my C=64 to go Amiga! I have been watching ebay for a C=128D to cover both, but they either are: 1) Faulty. 2) Have bits missing. 3) Want to
much for postage. 4) Don't post photo's of it working.

I want to get a working machine, not one I have to spend more time and money fixing.

Btw: This is ebay Australia...



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Hi Esc,

On Saturday May 06 2023, Esc said to Vorlon:

They are all networked, and have expansions past the base unit. Except
the A4000 it's got the least amount of ram (12mb) that's not on the
Accelerator card.

Any interest in a CS MKII 060 with SCSI?

Full 060? What rev 060? Is it in a socket or soldered? Ram installed?

What type of $$ are you after? Shipping wold be to Australia.

I have 2x A1200s - one towerized with BPPC and Voodoo 3, pci, etc., the other in a checkmate case with a CS 030 MKIV.

I wanted to get a checkmate case and A3000 converter kit, but after
converting to AUD and shipping it's just not worth it at just shy of
$1000AUD for a case..

I also have an A4000 that needs to be recapped...

Get it done! You'll regret it latter if you don't.

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I sold my C=64 to go Amiga! I have been watching ebay for a C=128D to
cover both, but they either are: 1) Faulty. 2) Have bits missing.
3) Want to much for postage. 4) Don't post photo's of it working.

Yeah, I have a (non-D) C128 as well, and a 1541-II and 1581 to go along with it. (Though, honestly, I have a UltimateII+ that takes the place of floppy drives on both the C64 and the C128 whenever I play with them. One of my friends has a 128D that's missing a keyboard. I believe he's been hunting for one for eons, but they're completely unobtainable these days. I'm sure eBay Australia isn't much different than eBay USA in so far as finding a decent computer that's fully functional, honestly described, and not charging 10x
for shipping is almost impossible these days.

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Any interest in a CS MKII 060 with SCSI?

Full 060? What rev 060? Is it in a socket or soldered? Ram installed?

What type of $$ are you after? Shipping wold be to Australia.

I'm not home this week (biz trip) but can follow up this weekend. What's your email address? Or how else can I get in touch?

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Hi esc,

On Tuesday May 09 2023, Esc said to Vorlon:

Any interest in a CS MKII 060 with SCSI? Full 060? What rev 060?

Is it in a socket or soldered? Ram installed? What type of $$ are you
after? Shipping wold be to Australia.

I'm not home this week (biz trip) but can follow up this weekend. What's your email address? Or how else can I get in touch?

vk3heg@vk3heg.net
vk3heg@gmail.com

Best to send to both, just in case the spam filter has a field day! #_)


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Hi Abbub,

I sold my C=64 to go Amiga! I have been watching ebay for a C=128D to
cover both, but they either are: 1) Faulty. 2) Have bits missing.
3) Want to much for postage. 4) Don't post photo's of it working.

Yeah, I have a (non-D) C128 as well, and a 1541-II and 1581 to go along
with it. (Though, honestly, I have a UltimateII+ that takes the place of floppy > drives on both the C64 and the C128 whenever I play with them. One of my
friends has a 128D that's missing a keyboard. I believe he's been hunting
for one for eons, but they're completely unobtainable these days. I'm sure eBay Australia isn't much different than eBay USA in so far as finding a decent computer that's fully functional, honestly described, and not
charging 10x for shipping is almost impossible these days.

Here's an example of one right now: 234701107310

"Keyboard has missing key caps as seen in image. Some other keys are known
not to work as well. Internal 1571 drive known not to be working" His got it for $900AUD.

There's a couple of keyboards as well (This seller has two): 325608613651
$350 + $17.80 AUD.

There's a metal case 128D on there right now, curently at a reasonable
price (I can see it skyrocking), but no keyboard and no photo's of it working....





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"Keyboard has missing key caps as seen in image. Some other keys are
known not to work as well. Internal 1571 drive known not to be
working" His got it for $900AUD.

Yeah, I like my old computers as much as the next guy, but I do draw the line at spending more than $500 for a vintage system. (Really, I draw the line at spending more than $150 for a system...) Though honestly part of my
reluctance is that you can't throw a rock in my basement without hitting a
half dozen old computers. My 'back catalog' of old hardware to tinker with is so big that I really don't *need* anything else, so new acquisitions have to fall into the 'too good to pass over' category.

(Please don't throw rocks at my old computers).

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On 10 May 2023, Abbub said the following...

without hitting a half dozen old computers. My 'back catalog' of old hardware to tinker with is so big that I really don't *need* anything else, so new acquisitions have to fall into the 'too good to pass over'

in my case, i suppose i would keep the newest old pc capable of doing what i'd like.. for example my sound blaster 16, which is ISA, has a pretty big window of hardware that's compatible all the way to some P4 boards. in reality probably a P3/K6-2 would be the sweet spot.

problem is now there are people nostalgic for windows 95/98..

it's funny because i must have had several dozen P2/3/K6-2 era machines that either were pulled from stacks of them left by the trash, marked $4.99 as-is
at the good-will, etc. could stack them up and throw a few boards across to build a computer-computer desk or something lol. nowadays with a little patience they'd net me a few thousand bucks.. ah well

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Hi abbub,

On Wednesday May 10 2023, Abbub said to Vorlon:

Yeah, I like my old computers as much as the next guy, but I do draw the line at spending more than $500 for a vintage system. (Really, I draw
the line at spending more than $150 for a system...) Though honestly
part of my reluctance is that you can't throw a rock in my basement
without hitting a half dozen old computers. My 'back catalog' of old hardware to tinker with is so big that I really don't *need* anything
else, so new acquisitions have to fall into the 'too good to pass over' category.

I'm more looking at it like a space saving venture, so getting a C128D would cover both sides of the coin... But I'm not willing to spend anything like $900AUD to get the system, and then having to spend even more to get it fixed.

There's also a auction on there for 4 Amiga mice for $600AUD and $100AUD in shipping. The description: "ROLL UP!!! ROLL UP!!! BULK LOT OF ORIGINAL 4 COMMODORE AMIGA MOUSE'S AT A FANTASTIC PRICE!!!. Just what any Amiga User Need's. Happy Bidding. Only Amiga Makes it Possible."



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lol. nowadays with a little patience they'd net me a few thousand
bucks.. ah well

And the same is true of the modern's we're all using right now, but we'll probably toss those as soon as they outlive their 'modern' usefullness, too.
:D

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