Deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:

scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us wrote:

* Not counting POST, though that adds maybe 3-4 seconds.  I just rebooted >> my Framework Laptop (with a Core i7-1165G7) to see how long it'd take.
From GRUB to the login prompt took about 7 seconds, and from hitting Enter >> on my password to the KDE desktop was maybe a bit under 2 seconds more.

you are may be aware that using SSD or NVMe in recent years boosted the boot time, right? So I wonder why you did not mention what disk you used inside.

SSDs boost the speed of just about everything. I even managed to get one running in an ancient G4 Mac mini to some small benefit, though the bigger benefit is arguably the removal of a mechanical device subject to breakage.
As SSDs were becoming cheaper (and more common), I saw how they were
squeezing more life out of older computers by keeping them usable a little
bit longer.

As for the aforementioned Framework, it uses a 1TB SK Hynix Gold P31. I
didn't mention it because computers have shipped with SSDs as standard equipment for several years. The Framework replaced a six-year-old Dell Latitude 7370, and even that shipped with an M.2 SSD (SATA, though I
replaced it with a larger NVMe stick fairly early).

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In article <AWOdL.4320$TlS4.524@fx11.iad>,
<scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us> wrote:

Deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:

scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us wrote:

SSDs boost the speed of just about everything. I even managed to
get one running in an ancient G4 Mac mini to some small benefit,
though the bigger benefit is arguably the removal of a mechanical
device subject to breakage. As SSDs were becoming cheaper (and more
common), I saw how they were squeezing more life out of older
computers by keeping them usable a little bit longer.

I replaced the hard drive with an SSD on my old Acer Aspire 5741G
laptop which has made a big improvement - absolutely worth doing to
improve performance and keep older PCs going for longer.

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scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us wrote:

SSDs boost the speed of just about everything.  I even managed to get one running in an ancient G4 Mac mini to some small benefit, though the bigger benefit is arguably the removal of a mechanical device subject to
breakage. As SSDs were becoming cheaper (and more common), I saw how they were squeezing more life out of older computers by keeping them usable a little bit longer.

well SSDs have advantages and disadvantages.
1. if it dies, most likely you can not recover any data out of it
2. the price is a factor. I calculated recently the benefit of replacing the
WD Red spinning disk with SSDs (2 TB in RAID pairs). The conclusion was
that the power saved does not rectify the replacement - the price of the
SSD is still too high. So I just left the spinning rust inside. Some of
them are running for 8-10y already

So no, I do not think it is always best choice. I have a problem with SSDs
in single mode. It depends highly on the use case, but if using SSD in
single mode one should take care of (more) regular backups.

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On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 15:03:33 +0100
Deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:

2. the price is a factor. I calculated recently the benefit of replacing
the WD Red spinning disk with SSDs (2 TB in RAID pairs). The conclusion
was that the power saved does not rectify the replacement - the price of
the SSD is still too high. So I just left the spinning rust inside. Some
of them are running for 8-10y already

It was even less favourable when I compared it with my array of
second hand 2TB 3.5" SAS drives.

For flat out performance there's nothing to beat a mirror of high
end NVMe SSDs like the ones outfits like EMC put in their most expensive storage servers - but you need at least a 10gb backbone and probably 25gb
to see the full advantage across a LAN - oh and a pretty fruity server to
host them. If price matters don't go anywhere near this.

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I have two little QNAP NAS units, one with rust; the other with SSDs.

Initially, the SSD machine outperformed the spinner. But after I junked
the minimal memory that was provided with them and loaded them up, there
was no longer much difference at all.

Spend your money on RAM. If the machines aren't constantly paging, they
won't keep you waiting (except, perhaps for an initial spinup).

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In November last year I was able to get a Raspberry Pi Zero 2 W, and in April this year I got a Pi 4 1GB to use as a web server.

I still haven't been able to score a Pi Zero 2 W. Sure, I don't scour the interwebs to find one, but... I really wanna take a look at them.



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On 21/11/2022 03:54, paul lee wrote:

BG> In November last year I was able to get a Raspberry Pi Zero 2 W, and in
BG> April this year I got a Pi 4 1GB to use as a web server.

I still haven't been able to score a Pi Zero 2 W. Sure, I don't scour the interwebs to find one, but... I really wanna take a look at them.

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Me too. Handy devices

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paul lee <nospam.paul.lee@f420.n105.z1.fidonet.org> wrote:

In November last year I was able to get a Raspberry Pi Zero 2 W, and in April this year I got a Pi 4 1GB to use as a web server.

I still haven't been able to score a Pi Zero 2 W. Sure, I don't scour the interwebs to find one, but... I really wanna take a look at them.

https://rpilocator.com/feed/

Put this in your RSS reader and you'll see which vendors get which products when they get them. I've gotten a Pi Zero 2W that way (and a couple of
CM4s, too).

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