Interesting stats someone posted:

2004 - 121 million votes cast.
2008 - 129 million votes cast.
2012 - 126 million votes cast.
2016 - 128 million votes cast.
2020 - 155 million votes cast. <-- Looks a little strange
2024 - 129 million votes cast.

Anyone want to keep insisting that 2020 was the "most secure election in history"?


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Interesting stats someone posted:

2004 - 121 million votes cast.
2008 - 129 million votes cast.
2012 - 126 million votes cast.
2016 - 128 million votes cast.
2020 - 155 million votes cast. <-- Looks a little strange
2024 - 129 million votes cast.

Anyone want to keep insisting that 2020 was the "most secure election in history"?

Another source (left-leaning) pointed out there disappointment that roughly
18 million people who voted in 2020 didn't vote this year. A little
different than your numbers but still huge.

I know you are leaning towards "cheating" but I have always wondered about hackers... specifically Chinese ones. There were a few articles floating around right before 11/5 regarding the abilities of hackers to hack
elections.

Either way, I question why they would cheat/hack the last election but not
this one? Keeping the numbers up would hide the 2020 spike. Not doing it
this time makes it really stick out.

Could also simply mean there were 18 million people who hate Trump but just couldn't get behind Harris.


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2004 - 121 million votes cast.
2008 - 129 million votes cast.
2012 - 126 million votes cast.
2016 - 128 million votes cast.
2020 - 155 million votes cast. <-- Looks a little strange
2024 - 129 million votes cast.

Either way, I question why they would cheat/hack the last election but
not this one? Keeping the numbers up would hide the 2020 spike. Not doing it this time makes it really stick out.

I have a tendency to butt-in to everybody's conversation in this echo :)

2020 was the year of the scamdemic. Cheaters had all kinds of avenues to travel that year. The lack of the fear of dying by walking out the door made it harder to cheat. Plus, supposedly, the RNC was on top of things this time around.

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2020 was the year of the scamdemic.

A scamdemic? Do you know how many Americans lost their lives to covid, or how many were sick?

Or how many world wide?

Get real.

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2020 was the year of the scamdemic.

A scamdemic? Do you know how many Americans lost their lives to covid,
or how many were sick?

Or how many world wide?

Get real.

I'm not disputing that, but we were talking about elections and the scamdemic was used to trick stupid people into voting Trump out of office.

https://youtu.be/e7qElFp2Z3c

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A scamdemic? Do you know how many Americans lost their lives to covid,
or how many were sick?

Or how many world wide?

Get real.

I'm not disputing that, but we were talking about elections and the scamdemic was used to trick stupid people into voting Trump out of office.

The pandemic was very real. People in Canada a still getting sick from covid although the pandemic is over.

People are not getting sick in large numbers like they were in 2020 but covid is not over. It is not a scam.

https://youtu.be/e7qElFp2Z3c

I don't have access to a web browser at the moment but I will have a look at your link and get back to you if I have questions or comments after viewing it.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

A scamdemic? Do you know how many Americans lost their lives to covid,
or how many were sick?

I'm not disputing that, but we were talking about elections and the scamdemic was used to trick stupid people into voting Trump out of
office.

But Alan was programmed to keep pushing the false COVID Narrative. After all, he can't be wrong.


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scamdemic was used to trick stupid people into voting Trump out of office.

But Alan was programmed to keep pushing the false COVID Narrative.
After all, he can't be wrong.

The poor guy seems to have a form of autism. He can count the toothpicks, but he can't recognize lies (unless they're lies about websites.)

I'm not picking on people who have autism; I have family and friends with autism. But I'm seriously noticing similarities.

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But Alan was programmed to keep pushing the false COVID Narrative.

What false COVID narrative?

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2004 - 121 million votes cast.
2008 - 129 million votes cast.
2012 - 126 million votes cast.
2016 - 128 million votes cast.
2020 - 155 million votes cast. <-- Looks a little strange
2024 - 129 million votes cast.

I have a tendency to butt-in to everybody's conversation in this echo :)

2020 was the year of the scamdemic. Cheaters had all kinds of avenues to trave
that year. The lack of the fear of dying by walking out the door made it harde
to cheat. Plus, supposedly, the RNC was on top of things this time around.

Yeah, I don't buy that. Several states still allow unquestioned mail-in balloting, and many states (AZ, NV, and others) still claim it will take
them "forever" to count ballots. In other words, if they wanted to keep cheating, they could have. Something else is/was amiss.


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On 07 Nov 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...

2020 was the year of the scamdemic.

A scamdemic? Do you know how many Americans lost their lives to covid,
or how many were sick?

Or how many world wide?

Get real.

And you don't know that number either. In the US they started playing with words... They went from death from covid to death related to or whatever.

In the US if you were shot in gang violence and tested positive for covid... Though you lost your life from a gun-shot to the face... You were marked up as COVID related.

Millions and millions of people die each year from the flu... during the scam they were put down as covid...

COVID, AKA The China Virus, was real... but its true impact will never be known.

Because of COVID and the response there is a large segment of the population that does not trust the government now... and the 3 letter agencies as well.

Maybe RFK Jr will fix that.

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And you don't know that number either. In the US they started playing with words... They went from death from covid to death related to or whatever.

I know a pandemic when I see one.

Maybe RFK Jr will fix that.

Get real!

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to cheat. Plus, supposedly, the RNC was on top of things this time aroun

Yeah, I don't buy that. Several states still allow unquestioned mail-in balloting, and many states (AZ, NV, and others) still claim it will take them "forever" to count ballots. In other words, if they wanted to keep cheating, they could have. Something else is/was amiss.

Something will always be amiss with the big contest for access to our credit at the World Bank. It's just sitting there like a jackpot prize.

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IB Joe wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

Because of COVID and the response there is a large segment of the population that does not trust the government now... and the 3 letter agencies as well.

Don't forget they changed the definition of 'vaccine.'



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And you don't know that number either. In the US they started playing with words... They went from death from covid to death related to or whatever.

In some cases, I agree with those deaths being included. If someone would
not have died had they not also had COVID, or if COVID lead to new chronic health problems that eventually killed them then, in my mind, they died "because of COVID."

In the US if you were shot in gang violence and tested positive for covid... Though you lost your life from a gun-shot to the face... You were marked up as
COVID related.

These are the cases that should not have been counted as "COVID deaths."

They would still count towards total COVID cases, though, and that number
was probably *under-reported* as some people who had certain strains never
knew they had it and never got tested/counted.

Because of COVID and the response there is a large segment of the population that does not trust the government now... and the 3 letter agencies as well.

My distrust involves how certain persons in government at the time...
mainly Fauci... were using their time in the spotlight to flip-flop their message in order to troll people who were anti-mask, anti-vax, etc. He
should have stayed on message and not stooped to that level. Our state's leading health official during that time stayed on message and I had no
issues trusting his guidance because he didn't play games.

Maybe RFK Jr will fix that.

RFK Jr is not a doctor. Like most politicians, he is a lawyer and has no business being in charge of the nation's health.


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Because of COVID and the response there is a large segment of the
population that does not trust the government now... and the 3 letter
agencies as well.

Don't forget they changed the definition of 'vaccine.'

The definition of vaccine has changed?

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

The poor guy seems to have a form of autism. He can count the
toothpicks, but he can't recognize lies (unless they're lies about websites.)

I'm not picking on people who have autism; I have family and friends
with autism. But I'm seriously noticing similarities.

I don't know if it's a form of autism - but that is a really good theory especially when RFK shows the number of chemicals in our foods that could cause it. We already have a mother who's son got it after getting a bunch of "vaccinations" at once.

In any case, Alan doesn't have the ability to think for himself. He has no self-awareness. He's the kind of person who touches a hot stove and blames the stove for the pain - then goes and touches it again.


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On 08 Nov 2024, jimmylogan said the following...

Don't forget they changed the definition of 'vaccine.'

it maybe a lifetime or two before the government and the democrats regain their trust back!!

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Don't forget they changed the definition of 'vaccine.'

it maybe a lifetime or two before the government and the democrats regain their trust back!!

Yes, the electorate will never forgive the government for changing the definition of vaccine.

Uh huh!

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Alan Ianson wrote to jimmylogan <=-

Because of COVID and the response there is a large segment of the
population that does not trust the government now... and the 3 letter
agencies as well.

Don't forget they changed the definition of 'vaccine.'

The definition of vaccine has changed?

Mine hasn't, but the COVID "vaccine" was not the same as
a flu shot or Measles vaccine. It was called that, but they
said up front that it would not prevent it - it would not
act like a traditional vaccine.




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Ron L. wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

I don't know if it's a form of autism - but that is a really good
theory especially when RFK shows the number of chemicals in our foods
that could cause it. We already have a mother who's son got it after getting a bunch of "vaccinations" at once.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but I've seen the studies and how autism has
increased over the years as more and more vaccinations are introduced...

We have a mostly non verbal autistic grandson.







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The definition of vaccine has changed?

Mine hasn't, but the COVID "vaccine" was not the same as
a flu shot or Measles vaccine. It was called that, but they
said up front that it would not prevent it - it would not
act like a traditional vaccine.

The covid vaccine is indeed a vaccine.

Covid does change over time and may require a booster.

The defintion of vaccine has not changed.

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I don't know if it's a form of autism - but that is a really good theory especially when RFK shows the number of chemicals in our foods that
could cause it. We already have a mother who's son got it after getting
a bunch of "vaccinations" at once.

I think someone made a mistake in the Democrats' brainwashing laboratory, because the people with autism (who I know) are very focused on things, and if anything, it made them smarter, not dumber.

A very close family member of mine has it, and he is on the Trump train bigtime, and he's one of the people I took with me to the polls during early voting. Leave it to the Democrats to inadvertently engineer people to vote against them!

In any case, Alan doesn't have the ability to think for himself. He has no self-awareness. He's the kind of person who touches a hot stove and blames the stove for the pain - then goes and touches it again.

It could also be a memory problem. We've explained things to him hundreds of times and then by the next day, he's forgotten everything that had been explained to him the previous day.

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It could also be a memory problem. We've explained things to him hundreds of times and then by the next day, he's forgotten everything that had been explained to him the previous day.

It's likely that your explanations got trapped in my BS filter.

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On 09 Nov 2024, Mike Powell said the following...

In some cases, I agree with those deaths being included. If someone
would not have died had they not also had COVID, or if COVID lead to new chronic health problems that eventually killed them then, in my mind,
they died "because of COVID."

Some cases, there were a lot. I'm not saying that COVID didn't have an impact... It was engineered by China to do something. I'm saying that the left used it because they never leave a crisis like that go un-used.

They could funnel Billions if not Trillions to their pet projects.

These are the cases that should not have been counted as "COVID deaths."

They would still count towards total COVID cases, though, and that number was probably *under-reported* as some people who had certain strains
never knew they had it and never got tested/counted.

There were a l;ot of these cases. Apparently the Feds were paying the hospitals ~$35,000.00 per COVID case... The hospitals were making a killing and it helped feed into the government narrative.

My distrust involves how certain persons in government at the time... mainly Fauci... were using their time in the spotlight to flip-flop their message in order to troll people who were anti-mask, anti-vax, etc. He should have stayed on message and not stooped to that level. Our state's leading health official during that time stayed on message and I had no issues trusting his guidance because he didn't play games.

Follow the science was all BS. The driving force behind science is to question and test the validity of ideas. If anyone credible came forward they were destroyed by the Democrat machine.

RFK Jr is not a doctor. Like most politicians, he is a lawyer and has no business being in charge of the nation's health.

I didn't way he was a doctor... He's going in to un-politicize the agency... People working in the agencies are making royalties off the drugs they are suppose to regulate.

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On 09 Nov 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...

The definition of vaccine has changed?

Jesus... Alan... The COVID "vaccine" is not a vaccine in the regular sense.

Google said...

:Start
A preparation of a weakened or killed pathogen, such as a bacterium or virus, or of a portion of the pathogen's structure that upon administration to an individual stimulates antibody production or cellular immunity against the pathogen but is incapable of causing severe infection.
:Stop

I'll explain... There was a vaccine made for Polio... The vaccine weakened or dead Polio virus. The body see this and creates antibodies to fight future infections... I got a shot when I was a child and I don't need to go for boosters every other week.

M-RNA is not a vaccine... It didn't prevent infection.. It did nothing... It might have harmed you because your system was injected with foreign M-RNA and that has the potential of altering your own DNA

Will you read a book or something...

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On 09 Nov 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...

Yes, the electorate will never forgive the government for changing the definition of vaccine.

That among other things. The government has 1 job... among others... PROTECT the electorate. And they blew it.

They made some of their cronies a sh!t load of money though.

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jimmylogan wrote to Dr. What <=-

I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but I've seen the studies and how autism has increased over the years as more and more vaccinations are
introduced...

I wasn't an anti-vaxxer until I started do actually read the research.

I was unable to find any instance of:
1. A virus being isolated. There are many instances of them claiming so, but their methods were closer to a religious belief than science.
2. Anyone showing that any microbe CAUSED sickness. They are all along the lines of "you are sick, our useless test shows that you have XXX, therefore XXX made you sick."
- If they can't isolate a virus, they can't make a test showing its existance. Therefore any tests like that are useless.
3. Anyone showing that a disease is contageous.
And more.

I'm old enough to remember taking the polio "vaccine", so that was something that really interested me. The evidence that polio wasn't caused by the polio virus really. It was caused by the heavy metal pesticides used.

The graph of usage of heavy metal pesticides going up and down pretty much match the polio graph. And the introduction of the "vaccine" was after instances of polio were already going down and had no impact on the decline. In other words, the polio "vaccine" did nothing.

At best, "vaccines" made someone feel good and made money for some company. At worse, like in the COVID scamdemic, the "vaccine" harmed more people than the supposed virus did.


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

I think someone made a mistake in the Democrats' brainwashing
laboratory, because the people with autism (who I know) are very
focused on things, and if anything, it made them smarter, not dumber.

I read an interesting theory on this recently.

We all know about how people adapt. Someone with poorly functioning legs, for example, will adapt and usually build very strong upper body muscles as compensation.

People with autism do the same thing, but from a mental point of view. So someone with autism who is socially inept will develop other mental skills to the point where they are very strong in order to compensate for the defect in the social areas.

So the geeks in high school don't go to dances, but they do go to the science fairs and win prizes.

It could also be a memory problem. We've explained things to him
hundreds of times and then by the next day, he's forgotten everything
that had been explained to him the previous day.

Well, I don't think it's a memory problem. It's more of a mental illness.

And it's time for another Thomas Sowell quote:
"It's amazing that so many people on the left are able to just ignore that which goes against their theories."

For Alan, when he hears (sees) an fact that goes counter to his false Narrative, he simply ignores it.


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It could also be a memory problem. We've explained things to him hundred times and then by the next day, he's forgotten everything that had been explained to him the previous day.

It's likely that your explanations got trapped in my BS filter.

Hang on now, I'm the doctor here :)

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They would still count towards total COVID cases, though, and that number
was probably *under-reported* as some people who had certain strains never knew they had it and never got tested/counted.

There were a l;ot of these cases. Apparently the Feds were paying the hospitals ~$35,000.00 per COVID case... The hospitals were making a killing an
it helped feed into the government narrative.

I know the states and/or retirement homes that housed COVID patients were making money for doing so, so I am not surprised that hospitals might also
have profited from it.

My distrust involves how certain persons in government at the time... mainly Fauci... were using their time in the spotlight to flip-flop their
message in order to troll people who were anti-mask, anti-vax, etc. He should have stayed on message and not stooped to that level. Our state's
leading health official during that time stayed on message and I had no issues trusting his guidance because he didn't play games.

Follow the science was all BS. The driving force behind science is to questio
and test the validity of ideas. If anyone credible came forward they were destroyed by the Democrat machine.

But how many were truly credible? A lot of those that "came forward" were slinging at least as much BS as the Democrats were.

I will say this... the Democrats, early on, slung a lot of BS about it not being anything to worry about (see Pelosi and NY politicians when it came
to wanting tourist to visit their Chinatowns for Chinese New Year) and,
later, slung a lot of BS about the shot being bogus (see Harris) which ultimately lead to a lot of minorities not trusting or getting the shot
once they were available.

I bring those two examples up because, in both cases, they did a 180 on
their stances and lied about having them to begin with.

RFK Jr is not a doctor. Like most politicians, he is a lawyer and has no >MP> business being in charge of the nation's health.

I didn't way he was a doctor... He's going in to un-politicize the agency... People working in the agencies are making royalties off the drugs they are suppose to regulate.

You didn't say it, but others have been floating his name as a replacement Surgeon General -- a position he has no business being in -- so I was not
sure why you threw his name out there. If that isn't what you meant, that
is good. I would like to see politicians not getting rich by aiding the
pharma companies.


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it. We already have a mother who's son got it after getting a bunch of "vaccinations" at once.

(1) most kids who got a bunch at once don't get autism
(2) autism is something that would not be noticed until about the same age where kids get a lot of vaccinations.

Those parents are looking for someone/thing to blame besides their genetics and/or what the mother might have done/not done while she was pregnant.


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focused on things, and if anything, it made them smarter, not dumber.

I read an interesting theory on this recently.

We all know about how people adapt. Someone with poorly functioning
legs, for example, will adapt and usually build very strong upper body muscles as compensation.

People with autism do the same thing, but from a mental point of view.
So someone with autism who is socially inept will develop other mental skills to the point where they are very strong in order to compensate
for the defect in the social areas.

That makes sense, and I'm sure that it's true, and it's not what the left expected.

"It's amazing that so many people on the left are able to just ignore
that which goes against their theories."

For Alan, when he hears (sees) an fact that goes counter to his false Narrative, he simply ignores it.

The owner's manual of his vehicle probably says "regular oil changes will prolong the life of the engine," so with that being said, it's "safe" to just ignore the engine temperature and/or the antifreeze spewing from the radiator.

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Alan Ianson wrote to jimmylogan <=-

Because of COVID and the response there is a large segment of the
population that does not trust the government now... and the 3 letter
agencies as well.

Don't forget they changed the definition of 'vaccine.'

The definition of vaccine has changed?

Mine hasn't, but the COVID "vaccine" was not the same as
a flu shot or Measles vaccine. It was called that, but they
said up front that it would not prevent it - it would not
act like a traditional vaccine.




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Ron L. wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

I don't know if it's a form of autism - but that is a really good
theory especially when RFK shows the number of chemicals in our foods
that could cause it. We already have a mother who's son got it after getting a bunch of "vaccinations" at once.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but I've seen the studies and how autism has
increased over the years as more and more vaccinations are introduced...

We have a mostly non verbal autistic grandson.







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The definition of vaccine has changed?

Jesus... Alan... The COVID "vaccine" is not a vaccine in the regular sense.

It is a vaccine. I don't want your definition of a "regular vaccine" I'm just saying that the definition of vaccine has not changed.

Dictionary.com says...
<start>
any preventive preparation used to stimulate the body's immune response against a specific disease, using either messenger RNA or killed or weakened bacteria or viruses to prepare the body to recognize a disease and produce antibodies.
<stop>

And that is what the covid vaccine is.

M-RNA is not a vaccine... It didn't prevent infection.. It did nothing... It might have harmed you because your system was injected with foreign M-RNA and that has the potential of altering your own DNA

No vaccine prevents infection. It helps your body fight off the infrection.

Will you read a book or something...

These are simple facts I am presenting to you. Get a little understanding before you start posting mis/disinformation.

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IB Joe wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

Yes, the electorate will never forgive the government for changing the definition of vaccine.

That among other things.

That never happened.

The government has 1 job... among others...

That's funny.

PROTECT the electorate. And they blew it.

How so?

They made some of their cronies a sh!t load of money though.

Who made money?


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

It's likely that your explanations got trapped in my BS filter.

Hang on now, I'm the doctor here :)

I am no doctor but my BS filter is working well.


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jimmylogan wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

Don't forget they changed the definition of 'vaccine.'

The definition of vaccine has changed?

Mine hasn't,

You just said "they changed the definition of vaccine".

but the COVID "vaccine" was not the same as a flu shot or Measles
vaccine. It was called that, but they said up front that it would
not prevent it - it would not act like a traditional vaccine.

No vaccine prevents infection. It helps your body fight off an infection.


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Don't forget they changed the definition of 'vaccine.'

The definition of vaccine has changed?

Mine hasn't,

You just said "they changed the definition of vaccine".

but the COVID "vaccine" was not the same as a flu shot or Measles vaccine. It was called that, but they said up front that it would
not prevent it - it would not act like a traditional vaccine.

No vaccine prevents infection. It helps your body fight off an infection.

I'm not a real doctor obviously, but:

"The tetanus shot is nearly 100% effective at preventing tetanus."

and

"The polio vaccine is 90% effective at preventing polio."

and

"The covid vaccine doesn't prevent covid."

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

People with autism do the same thing, but from a mental point of view.
So someone with autism who is socially inept will develop other mental skills to the point where they are very strong in order to compensate
for the defect in the social areas.

That makes sense, and I'm sure that it's true, and it's not what the
left expected.

The Elitists wanted chaos and social turmoil. They wanted to wreck most men and women as part of that.

They want to believe that they can control things, but Reality keeps telling them that they can't. But they do as all Elitists do: Double down on their failed policies.


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The Elitists wanted chaos and social turmoil. They wanted to wreck most men and women as part of that.

They want to believe that they can control things, but Reality keeps telling them that they can't. But they do as all Elitists do: Double
down on their failed policies.

For the longest time, I had been looking forward to the day when it backfires on them, and that day came on Tuesday last week.

It's the battle for trillions of dollars. Democrats will incite wars and even kill for that money, so surely they have no problem with giving children dangerous injections either, if it gets them closer to that money.

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On 10 Nov 2024, Mike Powell said the following...

But how many were truly credible? A lot of those that "came forward"
were slinging at least as much BS as the Democrats were.

I will say this... the Democrats, early on, slung a lot of BS about it
not being anything to worry about (see Pelosi and NY politicians when it came to wanting tourist to visit their Chinatowns for Chinese New Year) and, later, slung a lot of BS about the shot being bogus (see Harris) which ultimately lead to a lot of minorities not trusting or getting the shot once they were available.

I bring those two examples up because, in both cases, they did a 180 on their stances and lied about having them to begin with.

Sir... That's what science is. All major theses are challenged. You will present your paper/ideas in front of your peers to be challenged on them. Some of these ideas can be published so that the world can do the same... critique your findings.

Papers are written in a specific was to show the reader why you came to the conclusion you did and giving them enough information so that they can replicate your findings, accept or reject your claims.

This is science... You don't point your finger and say a bunch of BS... you talk and have open discussion and debate the facts.

I think the system did itself a great disservice by stopping open discussion.

It could be decades before this is fixed.

You didn't say it, but others have been floating his name as a
replacement Surgeon General -- a position he has no business being in -- so I was not sure why you threw his name out there. If that isn't what you meant, that is good. I would like to see politicians not getting
rich by aiding the pharma companies.

I didn't hear that... Surgeon General thing... Health Secretary or something like that.

RFK Jr's interest in this, I read somewhere, is a vaccine he took at one point in his life... It gave him the voice he has today.

If we can un-politicize these agencies would advance their cases.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

"The polio vaccine is 90% effective at preventing polio."

That is true after two doses. Three doses are 99 to 100% effective.

"The covid vaccine doesn't prevent covid."

No vaccine prevents disease or virus from infecting someone. It helps your body fight off infection.

There is not as much data over a period of time with the covid vaccines but it's efficacy is quite high as well but the covid virus changes over time much like the flu so you may need a booster shot when new strains are dicoverd.

Immunization is a global health success story, saving millions of lives every year. Vaccines reduce risks of getting a disease by working with your body. s natural defenses to build protection. When you get a vaccine, your immune system responds.

We are much better off with vaccines than without.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

For the longest time, I had been looking forward to the day when it backfires on them, and that day came on Tuesday last week.

But we still have a long way to go to clean up their mess.

It's the battle for trillions of dollars. Democrats will incite wars
and even kill for that money, so surely they have no problem with
giving children dangerous injections either, if it gets them closer to that money.

It's a battle for control. The money is part of that. Wars, fake vaccines, etc. are all the tools they use to control us.


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IB Joe wrote to Mike Powell <=-

Sir...

Don't call him that. He might think that people respect him. :)

I think the system did itself a great disservice by stopping open discussion.

But it did itself a great service by showing how infected it was with Woke idilogues.

It could be decades before this is fixed.

It will be fixed very quickly as the Wokies are fired. What will take decades is the regain of public trust that the Wokies squandered.

RFK Jr's interest in this, I read somewhere, is a vaccine he took at
one point in his life... It gave him the voice he has today.

One of our frustrations today is knowing what is actually healthy because of the chemicals that are put into our foods. And I'm not talking about the high-processed ones. It would be nice to know how safe they actually are.

If we can un-politicize these agencies would advance their cases.

We need to uncorrupt them. Too many are getting funding from the companies that they are supposed to be policing. The corruption allowed them to be politicized.


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"The polio vaccine is 90% effective at preventing polio."

That is true after two doses. Three doses are 99 to 100% effective.

"The covid vaccine doesn't prevent covid."

No vaccine prevents disease or virus from infecting someone. It helps
your body fight off infection.

You're contradicting yourself. Why?

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RFK Jr's interest in this, I read somewhere, is a vaccine he took at one point
in his life... It gave him the voice he has today.

https://theconversation.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr-reveals-why-he-has-a-raspy-voice
-spasmodic-dysphonia-explained-227500

Here is an article about that. It says that 65% of people who have it previously had measles or mumps.

"A separate study found the measles and mumps vaccines helped protect against developing the condition. An interesting finding, if confirmed, given that RFK Jr. is a noted vaccine sceptic.

"Other studies have suggested that a history of throat and sinus illnesses, mumps and rubella, intense occupational voice use, tremor, tics and compulsive behaviour are all associated with spasmodic dysphonia."

Another: https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2024-04-08/rfk-jr-voice-condition- spasmodic-dysphonia

"Although (RFK Jr) acknowledged there is no proof of a connection between the flu vaccines he once received annually and SD, he told The Times he continues to view the flu vaccine as 'at least a potential culprit.'"

So even RFK has acknowledged there is no proof.


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"The polio vaccine is 90% effective at preventing polio."

That is true after two doses. Three doses are 99 to 100% effective.

"The covid vaccine doesn't prevent covid."

No vaccine prevents disease or virus from infecting someone. It helps your body fight off infection.

You're contradicting yourself. Why?

Some vaccines are more effective than others. Polio is known to be an effective one, as is Tetnus. I have not seen stats on measles or mumps,
but I also didn't know anyone who got mumps growing up because we all had
to get the shot (not sure about measles).

The COVID vaccines seemed to depend on which brand you got. J&J was not at
all effective, where Moderna had better stats and Pfizer was somewhere in between. Like the flu vax, you have to keep up with boosters to keep up with the mutations. If you don't get the boosters, you cannot really blame the vax when you come down with a new strain that was not known of when the original vax (or maybe even last booster) came out.


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On 12 Nov 2024, Ron L. said the following...

Don't call him that. He might think that people respect him. :)

Now that Trump is in, there will be a return to regular decorum...

But it did itself a great service by showing how infected it was with
Woke idilogues.

I follow a preacher, cross between a Jew and a Christian, anyway... Back to the stolen 2020 election... He was talking about unanswered prayers.

Had Trump got into office I don't think we would have seen the full scope of the Left's agenda.

I'm glad God doesn't listen to me all the time.

It will be fixed very quickly as the Wokies are fired. What will take decades is the regain of public trust that the Wokies squandered.

Things will sway back to close to being "Normal"... But we've lost a portion of the people to this "Woke" culture.

A portion will be fixed... there is a cancer that was unleashed that will take some time to fix.

We need to uncorrupt them. Too many are getting funding from the companies that they are supposed to be policing. The corruption allowed them to be politicized.

Let RFK work his magic.

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That was a lot of work...

I'm not anti vax... I am now vax reluctant. I shielded my youngest, she's 14, from the current vaccines. I can see myself doing this for the foreseeable future. If I die because of my choices I die.

Post COVID... In GTA, Greater Toronto Area, this includes Toronto and all the Metro areas... FOR THE LOVE OF GOD... I tried to look up the number and I'm swarmed with fact check stories. There were 15-20 Doctors who died suddenly and within weeks of each other. Weeks but no more than a month or two.

They were all young and healthy and doctors. All were forced to take the jab. All now dead.

We can't talk about this... No one can follow the science because you'll loose your job... There are a million questions that only science can answer. Open debate and full transparency. We have the data, let those who can crunch the numbers let them crunch.

We have to get back to where science prevails, you go where the facts lead you. We also have to go back where we hold the pharmaceutical companies to account and make them liable for what they make and inject into our bodies. More so if they know what they are selling is harmful.

There are several vaccines that saved the world... Polio and measles to name a few... But we live in 2024 and there must be a reasons why the powers to be don't want us asking questions.

BTW, I am pro-life but see there might be room for compromise...

I do support the second amendment but I'm not stupid about it... I can see the advantage of having a permit to carry...

I think we have years and years of rot in our government. If Trump getting elected does 1 thing and that is to fix our 3 letter agencies then we've won...

But, that's right bitches... Daddy Trump will do more... I'll make America great again!!!

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

No vaccine prevents disease or virus from infecting someone. It helps
your body fight off infection.

You're contradicting yourself. Why?

I have said this a couple of times. What contradiction are you talking about?

Ttyl :-),
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IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

Had Trump got into office I don't think we would have seen the full
scope of the Left's agenda.

We've seen their agenda for the last 60 years - if you look for it.

But, ya, Trump in office got them to become much more overt and obvious so that even the classical liberals could see.

I'm glad God doesn't listen to me all the time.

"hard men create good times, good times create weak men, weak men create hard times"

I guess it could have been worse. The "hard times" could have been a real war.

Things will sway back to close to being "Normal"... But we've lost a portion of the people to this "Woke" culture.

I can't count those people as a loss, though. We are better off without them since they are all worthless people.

Now, if they want to redefine themselves and become useful in our society, I'll welcome them back. Otherwise they will only get my contempt.

A portion will be fixed... there is a cancer that was unleashed that
will take some time to fix.

The Woke Mind Virus. The good news is that most of them are multi-vaxxed. So most won't be living too long anyway.

Let RFK work his magic.

Keeping my fingers crossed.


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Post COVID... In GTA, Greater Toronto Area, this includes Toronto and all the Metro areas... FOR THE LOVE OF GOD... I tried to look up the number and I'm swarmed with fact check stories. There were 15-20 Doctors who died suddenly and within weeks of each other. Weeks but no more than a month or two.

They were all young and healthy and doctors. All were forced to take the

ab.

All now dead.

I wonder if they were taking something experimental, knowingly or not.

Here, I know many more people who died from COVID and complications caused
by it (lost count) than who died from getting vaccinated (1 & they had pre-existing condition).

We have to get back to where science prevails, you go where the facts lead

ou

We also have to go back where we hold the pharmaceutical companies to account and make them liable for what they make and inject into our bodies. More so

they know what they are selling is harmful.

Holding the pharma companies accountable would be a big step in the right direction. Many, many years ago there was a shooting in Louisville. They shooter was on Prozac. The pharma company somehow settled -- without the judge's knowledge -- so neither they, nor their medication, was held accountable.

They quit prescribing that one to young people (the shooter wasn't young)
but that was about it.

There are too many stories like that.

There are several vaccines that saved the world... Polio and measles to name

few... But we live in 2024 and there must be a reasons why the powers to be don't want us asking questions.

The powers that be, no matter which side now, don't want us asking
questions. Not sure why. I suspect they don't want their most ardent followers to gravitate from the fringes back towards the more logical
center, but I don't know why.

With COVID, in particular, it was a pandemic... a once in a lifetime
thing... and none of them knew how to handle it, and they didn't want
people to figure that out. So no questions.

BTW, I am pro-life but see there might be room for compromise...

I was pro-life, but that is one subject where the far right acts like the far left and uses emotion instead of numbers, facts, and science.

Like I have said, I can't get pregnant, I don't want to adopt a bunch of unwanted kids, and I don't want them draining my tax dollars so I don't
think anyone like me should be telling women they cannot terminate their pregnancy.

If it is really a sin, they will go to Hell and I will probably be right
there with them. Meanwhile, all the pro-life folks can look down and have
a laugh at our expense.

I think we have years and years of rot in our government. If Trump getting elected does 1 thing and that is to fix our 3 letter agencies then we've

on..

He had four years and didn't fix them before. He will only have four years this time, too.

He will soon be our President again, and I always hope our Presidents do
well so that our country also does well.


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You're contradicting yourself. Why?

I have said this a couple of times. What contradiction are you talking about?

"The polio vaccine is 90% effective at preventing polio."

That is true after two doses. Three doses are 99 to 100% effective.

"The covid vaccine doesn't prevent covid."

No vaccine prevents disease or virus from infecting someone. It helps your body fight off infection.

First you agreed with me that the polio vaccine is effective at preventing polio, and then you said "No vaccine prevents disease."

It's not a big deal, but you totally contradicted yourself. People do that sometimes, especially when they're frantically trying to be right about something that they didn't put much thought into.

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First you agreed with me that the polio vaccine is effective at preventing polio, and then you said "No vaccine prevents disease."

It's not a big deal, but you totally contradicted yourself. People do that sometimes, especially when they're frantically trying to be right about something that they didn't put much thought into.

The polio and smallpox vaxes were effective enough that they pretty much stamped out the diseases in question (well, until people quit taking them,
and until we started letting these diseases back into the country again).

OTOH, other vaxes are not quite that effective but do the job for most
people.

IMHO, the COVID vax has not reached that latter rung yet. If you travel somewhere that has a different strain going around, for example, you are
not likely protected.


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The polio and smallpox vaxes were effective enough that they pretty much stamped out the diseases in question (well, until people quit taking
them, and until we started letting these diseases back into the country again).

That's what I'd call a vaccine.

OTOH, other vaxes are not quite that effective but do the job for most people.

I use N95s indoors (except for at home.) I've been doing this for the past 5 years and it's been 99% successful. To me, there's no better vaccine than the N95 mask.

IMHO, the COVID vax has not reached that latter rung yet. If you travel somewhere that has a different strain going around, for example, you are not likely protected.

That sounds true. I'm sure that the deadliest covid strains are still out there somewhere, or at least the blueprints to make them are.

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On 13 Nov 2024, Mike Powell said the following...

They were all young and healthy and doctors. All were forced to take th

ab.

All now dead.

I wonder if they were taking something experimental, knowingly or not.

Here, I know many more people who died from COVID and complications
caused by it (lost count) than who died from getting vaccinated (1 &
they had pre-existing condition).

I am not saying that COVID didn't exist or have its issues. I'm saying that when people, like doctors and researchers, they were shut down and called anti-vaxers. What I said about the doctors dying is true and I'm not sure if anyone has explored the question fully.

There is vaccine reluctance now... this is why. If you want to get it... Go get it... Take my shot if you want.

Holding the pharma companies accountable would be a big step in the right direction. Many, many years ago there was a shooting in Louisville.
They shooter was on Prozac. The pharma company somehow settled --
without the judge's knowledge -- so neither they, nor their medication, was held accountable.

They quit prescribing that one to young people (the shooter wasn't young) but that was about it.

There are too many stories like that.

Lets hope Bobby tables this. I'd rather see medication taking time to go through the process than have something come out too prematurely.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

"The covid vaccine doesn't prevent covid."

No vaccine prevents disease or virus from infecting someone. It helps your

body fight off infection.

First you agreed with me that the polio vaccine is effective at
preventing polio, and then you said "No vaccine prevents disease."

It's not a big deal, but you totally contradicted yourself. People do
that sometimes, especially when they're frantically trying to be right about something that they didn't put much thought into.

Disease and virus's do exist, vaccines can't do anything about that. That is why vaccines exist.

Vaccines are effective at preventing polio and other disease by increasing your bodies ability to fight it off. Polio is not the killer it once was.

What do you want from me?

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"The covid vaccine doesn't prevent covid."

No vaccine prevents disease or virus from infecting someone. It helps

body fight off infection.

First you agreed with me that the polio vaccine is effective at preventing polio, and then you said "No vaccine prevents disease."

It's not a big deal, but you totally contradicted yourself. People do that sometimes, especially when they're frantically trying to be righ about something that they didn't put much thought into.

Disease and virus's do exist, vaccines can't do anything about that.
That is why vaccines exist.

Now you're doing it again. It's ok.

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OTOH, other vaxes are not quite that effective but do the job for most people.

I use N95s indoors (except for at home.) I've been doing this for the past 5 years and it's been 99% successful. To me, there's no better vaccine than the N95 mask.

I get funny looks but I still mask when indoors in a public place.

IMHO, the COVID vax has not reached that latter rung yet. If you travel somewhere that has a different strain going around, for example, you are not likely protected.

That sounds true. I'm sure that the deadliest covid strains are still out

her

somewhere, or at least the blueprints to make them are.

If it is like most viruses, it will mutate into a form that is less deadly.
A live host is a better factory for multiplying and spreading than a dead
one.


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I use N95s indoors (except for at home.) I've been doing this for the pa years and it's been 99% successful. To me, there's no better vaccine tha N95 mask.

I get funny looks but I still mask when indoors in a public place.

Same here! I think you know what it's like to be flu/virus-free then.

That sounds true. I'm sure that the deadliest covid strains are still ou

her

somewhere, or at least the blueprints to make them are.

If it is like most viruses, it will mutate into a form that is less deadly. A live host is a better factory for multiplying and spreading than a dead one.

There are likely some of those lurking also.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

Disease and virus's do exist, vaccines can't do anything about that.
That is why vaccines exist.

Now you're doing it again. It's ok.

This is the type of doublespeak that made many actual medical professionals sit up and start asking questions. And they didn't like the (usually circular) answers they were given.

They dived into the actual research on viruses, vaccines, etc. and found that there was no actual proof of:
1. Viruses existing - none had ever been isolated.
2. Microbes making people sick. It was all along the lines of "we found the microbe in sick people, and in well people too, but they must be 'asymptomatic'.)
3. Contagion. The "disease" was not shown to spread via a microbe exposure.
4. A "vaccine" actually working.

When the actual medical professionals spoke on this, the Medical Industrial Complex and the Elitists shut them down.

This is why they are freaking out over RFK being head of HHS. He will demand proof and when he doesn't get it, he's going to make them prove things or shut their money making machine down.


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1. Viruses existing - none had ever been isolated.

This is false. The virus that causes Polio was isolated in 1908. The
first time influenza virus was isolated was in 1933.

2. Microbes making people sick. It was all along the lines of "we found the microbe in sick people, and in well people too, but they must be 'asymptomatic'.)

Pathogenic microbes do make people sick.

3. Contagion. The "disease" was not shown to spread via a microbe exposure.

Except they are.

4. A "vaccine" actually working.

Then why were we not all catching polio, measles, smallpox, or mumps any
more (until we stopped vetting people for disease and let some of these
back into the country -- see your false point #3)?


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This is why they are freaking out over RFK being head of HHS. He will demand proof and when he doesn't get it, he's going to make them prove things or shut their money making machine down.

I'm looking forward to that. And I realize the secretary of HHS will serve Americans first, but maybe he can help Alan with his ridiculous contradictions or Bjorn with his machine-washable brain.

Disease and virus's do exist, vaccines can't do anything about that. That is why vaccines exist.

After reading that part like 6 times, I guess it sorta makes sense, but look at what led up to this conversation:
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Aaron> "The polio vaccine is 90% effective at preventing polio."

Alan> That is true after two doses. Three doses are 99 to 100% effective.

Aaron> "The covid vaccine doesn't prevent covid."

Alan> No vaccine prevents disease or virus from infecting someone. It helps your body fight off infection.
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We had to ignore Alan's extreme contradictions twice in order to wind up in an intelligent conversation. To me, it's funny.

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what led up to this conversation:
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Aaron> "The polio vaccine is 90% effective at preventing polio."

That is true after two doses. Three doses are 99 to 100% effective.

Aaron> "The covid vaccine doesn't prevent covid."

No vaccine prevents disease or virus from infecting someone. It helps

your body fight off infection.
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We had to ignore Alan's extreme contradictions twice in order to wind up in an intelligent conversation. To me, it's funny.

There is no contradiction there Arron, just facts. Simple obvious facts.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

I'm looking forward to that. And I realize the secretary of HHS will
serve Americans first, but maybe he can help Alan with his ridiculous contradictions or Bjorn with his machine-washable brain.

I'm sad to day, but stupidity is terminal. :)

After reading that part like 6 times, I guess it sorta makes sense, but look at what led up to this conversation: ---

We had to ignore Alan's extreme contradictions twice in order to wind
up in an intelligent conversation. To me, it's funny.

Wow! Only twice.

It IS funny, but after a while it gets tiring trying to explain Reality to the Reality-challenged and logic to the illogical.


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Aaron> "The polio vaccine is 90% effective at preventing polio."

Alan> That is true after two doses. Three doses are 99 to 100% effective.

Aaron> "The covid vaccine doesn't prevent covid."

Alan> No vaccine prevents disease or virus from infecting someone. It helps your body fight off infection.

We had to ignore Alan's extreme contradictions twice in order to wind up in an
intelligent conversation. To me, it's funny.

It is not really a contradiction, although I question his wording. He is saying that no vaccine prevents you from getting the germs, but they do
help your body fight off actually becoming ill.

So, people vaccinated for a disease might get the germs, and might even be
able to spread it during the time between contact and fighting it off.
Some vaccines are nearly 100% effective at preventing illness while others
are not... usually because the infected person caught a new or reintroduced strain not covered by the last vaccine they got.

I 100% believe all this "vaccines are bad" and "germs don't exist" nonsense
has happened because there are a large number of Americans (me included)
who are not old enough to remember what life was like before vaccines were introduced.

People who are old enough to remember are damned glad that they never had polio, measles, mumps, etc., because they *knew* people who did, and most
of them are damned glad there were vaccines introduced that nearly or completely irradicated those diseases from the US. Those of us not quite old enough never lived in a world where those diseases were common. We take
for granted that we can "never catch them" and apparently some of us have become comfortable enough that we question whether or not they even existed.


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We had to ignore Alan's extreme contradictions twice in order to wind up in an intelligent conversation. To me, it's funny.

Wow! Only twice.

It IS funny, but after a while it gets tiring trying to explain Reality
to the Reality-challenged and logic to the illogical.

The smarter leftists have disappeared from Fidonet. They lost the battle in our never-ending debates, and they all know that "Trump was right about
everything." And it seems like you and Joe S. were right all along about "people are waking up."

I know that Alan is a smart guy and that he's just trolling us. Either that, or he's trying to impress liberal Janice, but I bet that she's got no candy for him.

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It is not really a contradiction, although I question his wording. He is saying that no vaccine prevents you from getting the germs, but they do help your body fight off actually becoming ill.

Here's that silly conversation:

Aaron> "The polio vaccine is 90% effective at preventing polio."

Alan> That is true after two doses. Three doses are 99 to 100% effective

Aaron> "The covid vaccine doesn't prevent covid."

Alan> No vaccine prevents disease or virus from infecting someone. It he your body fight off infection.

Alan agreed with me when I said "The polio vaccine is 90% effective at preventing polio." But then he also added "No vaccine prevents disease." The wording is everything. The left words things badly intentionally to promote false narratives.

People who are old enough to remember are damned glad that they never had polio, measles, mumps, etc., because they *knew* people who did, and most of them are damned glad there were vaccines introduced that nearly or completely irradicated those diseases from the US. Those of us not
quite old enough never lived in a world where those diseases were
common. We take for granted that we can "never catch them" and
apparently some of us have become comfortable enough that we question whether or not they even existed.

That sounds likely. I've never known anyone with polio, so to me it seems like the polio vaccine must be real, and it must be extremely effective.

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Alan agreed with me when I said "The polio vaccine is 90% effective at preventing polio." But then he also added "No vaccine prevents disease." The wording is everything. The left words things badly intentionally to promote false narratives.

I'm going to say it again in the hope it will sink in.

Vaccines don't prevent disease, they help your body fight off an infection.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

The smarter leftists have disappeared from Fidonet. They lost the
battle in our never-ending debates, and they all know that "Trump was right about everything." And it seems like you and Joe S. were right
all along about "people are waking up."

Those people don't like people telling them "I told you so".

But they'll just go quiet for a few months, then start pushing the Narrative they are told to. Just like they usually do.

What will be interesting is what they will do now that the Propaganda Mininstry has collapsed.

I know that Alan is a smart guy and that he's just trolling us. Either that, or he's trying to impress liberal Janice, but I bet that she's
got no candy for him.

There's an old tasteless joke of "What do you call a dog with no legs? Nothing. He can't come when you call him anyway."

In the case of Alan, whether he's a moron, or only speaks like one to push his agenda, it doesn't matter. For me, he's just another Elitist to ignore.


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The smarter leftists have disappeared from Fidonet. They lost the battle in our never-ending debates, and they all know that "Trump was right about everything." And it seems like you and Joe S. were right all along about "people are waking up."

Those people don't like people telling them "I told you so".

But they'll just go quiet for a few months, then start pushing the Narrative they are told to. Just like they usually do.

Yea, they don't know what the new narrative is yet. Once the media decides that for them, then they'll come back here to try it out.

For now, it's just "Trump's going to ban abortions." (They sound so smart saying that!)

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The smarter leftists have disappeared from Fidonet. They lost the battle in

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never-ending debates, and they all know that "Trump was right about everything." And it seems like you and Joe S. were right all along about "people are waking up."

To be fair, one of the smartest liberals in this echo -- Dale -- passed away.
I don't know what happened to Jeff T. He just disappeared. I suspect a
few others who sometimes drop by may still be reading but have probably
tired of trying to have much intelligent conversation here.

I know that Alan is a smart guy and that he's just trolling us. Either that,

he's trying to impress liberal Janice, but I bet that she's got no candy for him.

Janis has also passed away. Pretty sure I posted that here.


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But the logic that "well, we don't have polio anymore, therefore the vaccine must been effective" is really not much logic.

By the same logic, I can say that my air filter is keeping the sharks away. I've never seen a shark here in rural Michigan, so it must be working.

How long, if ever, has it been since there were sharks in rural Michigan? Pretty sure it has been a whole lot longer, if ever, than polio was seen
there.

The reason you have not seen polio in rural Michigan is because it was erradicated. I have met people my parent's age and older who had it. I
don't know any my age because we all got vaccinated.

Don't worry. As the pool of vaccine and virus deniers grows, I am sure
polio will come back again someday... a lot sooner before sharks would.


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

Yea, they don't know what the new narrative is yet. Once the media
decides that for them, then they'll come back here to try it out.

And right now the media has bigger problems - like continuing to exist - than pushing the latest Narrative. Partly because every time they push the Narrative, their ratings drop even more. And with no Elitist money propping them up, they are getting pretty scared.

For now, it's just "Trump's going to ban abortions." (They sound so
smart saying that!)

They are highlighting their complete ignorance to everyone.


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The smarter leftists have disappeared from Fidonet. They lost the battle

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never-ending debates, and they all know that "Trump was right about everything." And it seems like you and Joe S. were right all along about "people are waking up."

To be fair, one of the smartest liberals in this echo -- Dale -- passed away. I don't know what happened to Jeff T. He just disappeared. I suspect a few others who sometimes drop by may still be reading but have probably tired of trying to have much intelligent conversation here.

Yea, I liked Dale. Smartest liberal is a terrible title to have, but he was a great guy.

I didn't know that Janis died. She was nice too. I liked her BBS. I will definitely stop joking about her now that I know about this. I read her obituary and I was shocked to find out that he was like 72. I thought she was younger than me. (72 is still too early to go!)

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Yea, I liked Dale. Smartest liberal is a terrible title to have, but he was a great guy.

I enjoyed our discord it was different and less nasty then some.

I didn't know that Janis died. She was nice too. I liked her BBS. I will definitely stop joking about her now that I know about this. I read her obituary and I was shocked to find out that he was like 72. I thought
she was younger than me. (72 is still too early to go!)

As for Janis I did not know either, her system while in New York was the only system not within the Net 267 nodelist, that operates the through the entire state of NY. As a passing thought I always thought that was odd. She was such a contributor to fidonet and that was more important to me then having her within the Empire Net of Net 267.

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As for Janis I did not know either, her system while in New York was the only system not within the Net 267 nodelist, that operates the through
the entire state of NY. As a passing thought I always thought that was odd. She was such a contributor to fidonet and that was more important
to me then having her within the Empire Net of Net 267.

After she announced that she was taking her BBS down, I contacted her to see if she would sell me her BBBS license (BBBS is a cool BBS software) but she never replied. It seems like that was just a few months ago.

Now we barely got anyone to argue with anymore. :(

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As for Janis I did not know either, her system while in New York was t
only system not within the Net 267 nodelist, that operates the through
the entire state of NY. As a passing thought I always thought that wa
odd. She was such a contributor to fidonet and that was more important
to me then having her within the Empire Net of Net 267.

After she announced that she was taking her BBS down, I contacted her to see if she would sell me her BBBS license (BBBS is a cool BBS software) but she never replied. It seems like that was just a few months ago.

Now we barely got anyone to argue with anymore. :(

I understand you very well and you're right. I respected very much what Janice accomplished and contributed to the fidonet community. Our politics never aligned but of course that is also no secret. Still it is very possible to have an appreciation for ones accomplishments.
As for the other: Conservatives hold things together for far longer and WE also have the ability to simply agree to disagree without bouncing off the walls w/out acting out in a ball of rage.

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As for Janis I did not know either, her system while in New York was the only system not within the Net 267 nodelist, that operates the through the entire state of NY. As a passing thought I always thought that was odd. She was such a contributor to fidonet and that was more important to me then having her within the Empire Net of Net 267.

After she announced that she was taking her BBS down, I contacted her to see

she would sell me her BBBS license (BBBS is a cool BBS software) but she

ever

replied. It seems like that was just a few months ago.

Now we barely got anyone to argue with anymore. :(

She took it down, but then she actually came back for a while. She was
having some sort of technical issues, though.

I wonder now if she didn't take it down after getting her initial
diagnosis, and then decided to bring it back up after she had recovered
from the shock. We will probably never know though.


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As for the other: Conservatives hold things together for far longer and WE

lso

have the ability to simply agree to disagree without bouncing off the walls >w/out acting out in a ball of rage.

We did have that ability. I worry now that some have lost that ability. I don't believe that stooping to the level of others is the way to go.


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I understand you very well and you're right. I respected very much what Janice accomplished and contributed to the fidonet community. Our

I give her credit for figuring out how to run BBBS. It's a pain to set it up. The documentation for it sucks. She had it running nicely, and she even had the web server (a web version of the BBS) and it was nifty.

politics never aligned but of course that is also no secret. Still it is very possible to have an appreciation for ones accomplishments.
As for the other: Conservatives hold things together for far longer and
WE also have the ability to simply agree to disagree without bouncing
off the walls w/out acting out in a ball of rage.

Yea. I love that we don't have a code of conduct to adhere to, but we sorta adhere to one anyway (for the most part) just because we're good honest people. The lefties though, they have to explain themselves when they're seen walking out of a house that has Trump signs in the yard.

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Now we barely got anyone to argue with anymore. :(

She took it down, but then she actually came back for a while. She was having some sort of technical issues, though.

I wonder now if she didn't take it down after getting her initial diagnosis, and then decided to bring it back up after she had recovered from the shock. We will probably never know though.

Yea, I remember that. I had no idea that she was suffering or else I wouldn't have asked to buy her BBBS license. I just assumed that she was tired of BBSing (like a lot of people are, who have given it up.)

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-

Yea. I love that we don't have a code of conduct to adhere to, but we sorta adhere to one anyway (for the most part) just because we're good honest people. The lefties though, they have to explain themselves when they're seen walking out of a house that has Trump signs in the yard.

You might want to read up on the "Creator Covenant" fiasco with open source projects.

Quick overview:
The Elitists marketed it as a "code of conduct" with lots of flowerly sounding words. Then once the project adopted it, used it to force the maintainer to accept commits from "marginalized people" even though the commits were garbage and then not accept commits from competent people if they were white males.

A number of maintainers got booted from their own projects because of this.

Elitists like to use things like a "code of conduct" to infiltrate and ruin institutions.

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Yea. I love that we don't have a code of conduct to adhere to, but we sorta adhere to one anyway (for the most part) just because we're goo honest people. The lefties though, they have to explain themselves wh they're seen walking out of a house that has Trump signs in the yard.

Elitists like to use things like a "code of conduct" to infiltrate and ruin institutions.

That's interesting! I knew something was up back in 2020 when all the celebrities started acting like alien nazis.

"Trump bad. Biden good. Buy my new album. Laugh at Jimmy Kimmel's jokes."

I've been saying it all along that "there's a major collusion going on here." Is that the "covenant" that you're referring to? I'd like to read more about it but a quick Google search didn't reveal anything (for me.)

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

I've been saying it all along that "there's a major collusion going on here." Is that the "covenant" that you're referring to? I'd like to
read more about it but a quick Google search didn't reveal anything
(for me.)

No, but the collusion between media and the Elitists is certainly appearant.

I had the name wrong. They changed it because of the bad press it was getting.
It's now called "Contributor Covenant".

Here's a link to one of the pages complaining about it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18002708


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