Maurice Kinal wrote to Andy Alt <=-

Hej Andy!

me and Maurice like problems.

I thought I was/am the problem ?!?!?!?!

:) Nah, not YOU! It's the OTHER humans!


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Hey Andy!

:) Nah, not YOU! It's the OTHER humans!

As Vger might say, "Stinkin' carbon based units!"

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Maurice

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Maurice Kinal wrote to Andy Alt <=-

Hey Andy!

:) Nah, not YOU! It's the OTHER humans!

As Vger might say, "Stinkin' carbon based units!"

:) Nice way to work in an ST reference. ;)

Last I heard, Voyager is still going strong. Shame on the Star Trek writers for having such a pessimistic vision
of the Voyager probe.

On Wednesday, Nov. 18, 2026, at 2:16:07 a.m. PST, NASAΓ ╓s Voyager 1 spacecraft will be 16,094,799,096 miles
(1,079,252,848 kilometers) away from Earth Γ ÷ or, the distance light travels in 24 hours, also known as one
light-day.Γ -

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Hej Andy!

16,094,799,096 miles (1,079,252,848 kilometers)

Closer to 25,902,068,356 kilometers where I come from.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Re: problems
By: Andy Alt to Maurice Kinal on Thu Jul 02 2026 16:44:56

Last I heard, Voyager is still going strong. Shame on the Star Trek writers for having such a pessimistic vision of the Voyager probe.

How were they pessimistic? The program made it to at least six probes, four more than reality.

I recently read that the thrusters are still working after 35 years of inactivity. Now that's built tough.
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Mortar M. wrote to All <=-

Re: problems
By: Andy Alt to Maurice Kinal on Thu Jul 02 2026 16:44:56

Last I heard, Voyager is still going strong. Shame on the Star Trek writers for having such a pessimistic vision of the Voyager probe.

How were they pessimistic? The program made it to at least six probes, four more than reality.

I rememembered in ST The Motion Picture that it was theorized that Voyager had been sucked into a black hole, and then assimilated. But my train of thought wasn't remembering some details well. So... it become One with the Creator and ... it vaporized but wasn't actually destroyed? Did it ever transmit all the data it obtained?

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Hey Andy!

I rememembered in ST The Motion Picture

I was referencing the original TV episode of Vger. If I recall correctly that version of Vger was more arrogant and definetly more cheesie sci-fi-wise. Cheesiness is good.

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Re: problems
By: Maurice Kinal to Andy Alt on Wed Jul 08 2026 03:14:35

I was referencing the original TV episode of Vger. If I recall correctly that version of Vger was more arrogant and definetly more cheesie sci-fi-wise. Cheesiness is good.

You're thinking of the TOS episode, "The Changeling". The original probe sent out from Earth was called Nomad. The modified version that showed up on the Enterprise retained that name.
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Hej Mortar!

You're thinking of the TOS episode, "The Changeling". The original
probe sent out from Earth was called Nomad.

At my age I should know better than to totally rely on memory. :::sigh:::

first broadcast on September 29, 1967

That helps to explain my mixed memory of the tv episode with the movie version. Despite this I still will default to the tv episode simply because of the cheesie el-cheapo special effects. Also it took less than an hour to resolve what took the movie more than an hour of overdone graphics for more or less the same plot, with the same actors. Vger ... V'Ger ... V'ger, was a nice touch although Voyager wouldn't have existed when the tv episode was aired.

Getting old ...

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Re: problems
By: Maurice Kinal to Mortar M. on Wed Jul 08 2026 19:41:03

Despite this I still will default to the tv episode simply because
of the cheesie el-cheapo special effects.

By today's standards, but for the mid-60s, they were considered quite good, especially for a TV show with limited budget and time.

Also it took less than an hour to resolve what took the movie more than an hour of overdone graphics for more or less the same plot.

You can hardly compare the two formats. Movies have more time and more budget to tell one story while episodic TV of that time had to crank out a new story every week.

There are several books on TOS's production, but I recommend The Making of Star Trek by Stephen Whitfield, which was the first and IMO, the most accurate as the author actually spent time on the sets, talking to the actors and production staff.
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Hej Mortar!

By today's standards, but for the mid-60s, they were considered quite
good, especially for a TV show with limited budget and time.

As a witness in real time I recall very early on in the film version that it had been done before. My wires got crossed about Vger sometime later ... I guess.

You can hardly compare the two formats.

Says who? Speaking for myself, I says I can.

Movies have more time and more budget to tell one story while
episodic TV of that time had to crank out a new story every week.

In this case I thought the movie wasted far too much time attempting to impress with graphics and, other than adding Vger, did little to nothing on the storyline.

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Re: problems
By: Maurice Kinal to Mortar M. on Thu Jul 09 2026 16:34:39

In this case I thought the movie wasted far too much time attempting to impress with graphics and, other than adding Vger, did little to nothing on the storyline.

Agreed, for the most part. Funny thing is, many critics panned it, not only for it's slow pace, but also they felt the story was too cerebral. This was exactly the same complaint by NBC for the pilot episode, "The Cage".
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