Hi Brother,
...Greets from my Telegram app!

//To: All//
Test 2 of new quote style.

Is your goal to strip out the 3rd(+) level of quoting on the path from Telegram to Fido? That's pretty goog and reduces the clutter.

Ciao!
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Hi, August!

Is your goal to strip out the 3rd(+) level of quoting on the path from Telegram to Fido? That's pretty good and reduces the clutter.

Yes. You are right.

Have a nice carrot!
Brother Rabbit.

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Hello Brother Rabbit!

** On Thursday 05.08.21 - 14:17, Brother Rabbit wrote to August Abolins:

Hi, August!

Is your goal to strip out the 3rd(+) level of quoting on the path from
Telegram to Fido? That's pretty good and reduces the clutter.

Yes. You are right.

The reply system is not looking right in the LITRPG echo.

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Hi, August!

Hello Brother Rabbit!
** On Thursday 05.08.21 - 14:17, Brother Rabbit wrote to August Abolins: The reply system is not looking right in the LITRPG echo.
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Is it still bad now, or a little better?

Have a nice carrot!
Brother Rabbit.

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Hi Brother,
...Greets from my Telegram app!

Is it still bad now, or a little better?

I just replied to one in that echo. We shall see.

Ciao!
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Test 2 of new quote style.

It sux.

\%/@rd

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Hi, August!

I just replied to one in that echo. We shall see.

Good. Let's watch.

Have a nice carrot!
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Hi, Ward!

Test 2 of new quote style.

It sux.

\%/@rd

It was even worse.

Have a nice carrot!
Brother Rabbit.

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05 Aug 2021 09:23, you wrote to me:

I saw some message you posted before with Golded that, BTW,
didn't have the TZUTC kludge.

That's probably Golded 1.1.4.7, and maybe why there's a version 1.1.5
now. ;)

I've seen in the github repo that the USETZUTC setting was disabled by default until 1.1.5, so it may work for you if you add 'USETZUTC Yes' to your cfg.

I just waited till a civilized time for you to catch the note. :)

Don't worry, I disabled the sound for my Fido-notifications. :-)

Carlos
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Hi, Carlos!

05 Aug 2021 09:23, you wrote to me:
I've seen in the github repo that the USETZUTC setting was disabled by default until 1.1.5, so it may work for you if you add 'USETZUTC Yes' to your cfg.
Don't worry, I disabled the sound for my Fido-notifications. :-)
Carlos

Cool. ;)

Have a nice carrot!
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05 Aug 2021 14:07, you wrote to All:

Test 2 of new quote style.

I suggest you change the empty quoted lines, like this one



... to just empty lines, like good editors do.

Carlos
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Hi, Carlos!

06 áóú 21 08:51, Carlos Navarro -> Brother Rabbit:

Test 2 of new quote style.

I suggest you change the empty quoted lines, like this one

This has been fixed now. However, it doesn't look very nice either.

... to just empty lines, like good editors do.

This is exactly what I am thinking about. However, there may be too many such blank lines in a row.

Have nice nights.
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... to just empty lines, like good editors do.

This is exactly what I am thinking about. However, there may be too
many such blank lines in a row.

When there are several blank lines, you might remove all of them but one.

Carlos
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Hi, Carlos!

When there are several blank lines, you might remove all of them but one. Carlos

Now we'll find out if it turned out the way you suggest. ;)

Have a nice carrot!
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03 Aug 2021 12:27, you wrote to me:

I have been a HAM for 50+ years and from the very beginning I always
used GMT (as it was called back then) for my logs (compulsory back
then) and for exchanging written confirmations called QSL cards. HAM
radio is a global thing, so using GMT or UTC is the logical thing to
do. I even had a clock in my shack that showed GMT.

A different beginning...

With that background information, I think using local time in Fidonet
was a design flaw. Fidonet, like HAM radio is a globe spanning
activity. Even in its country of origin, the USA, it spanned more than
one time zone from the beginning.

I suppose that they didn't think it would expand so much. Or they just didn't think too much about this. :-)

Time information in Fidonet should have been in UTC, not local time.
For additional information a TZLOC kludge could have been used.

I think I've read some discussions about this in FTSC_PUBLIC time ago, but I know it's difficult, if not impossible, to make some changes like this in Fidonet.

Anyway with TZUTC, though maybe a bit kludgy, you can get the same result (obtaining the UTC time) if the software supports this. But other than Jamnntpd, no idea what editors or packages do (I'm testing several ones, little by little)

Carlos
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04 Aug 2021 23:13, you wrote to me:

How are we doing so far? After all, you're my favourite Spaniard ...
:-)

A bit hot over here, though we've had worse summers.

I'm honoured... I suppose.

Carlos
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Hello Carlos,

On Sunday August 08 2021 09:09, you wrote to me:

I have been a HAM for 50+ years and from the very beginning I always
used GMT (as it was called back then) for my logs (compulsory back
then) and for exchanging written confirmations called QSL cards. HAM
radio is a global thing, so using GMT or UTC is the logical thing to
do. I even had a clock in my shack that showed GMT.

A different beginning...

I am not the only HAM in Fidonet. There has always been - and still is to a point - a large overlap between de HAM community and Fidonet. TJ is not a HAM, but there must have been HAMS in the first nodelist.

With that background information, I think using local time in Fidonet
was a design flaw. Fidonet, like HAM radio is a globe spanning
activity. Even in its country of origin, the USA, it spanned more
than one time zone from the beginning.

I suppose that they didn't think it would expand so much. Or they just didn't think too much about this. :-)

Maybe. Or maybe they considered GMT a "European thing". Like meters and kilograms. So they ignored it...

Time information in Fidonet should have been in UTC, not local time.
For additional information a TZLOC kludge could have been used.

I think I've read some discussions about this in FTSC_PUBLIC time ago,
but I know it's difficult, if not impossible, to make some changes
like this in Fidonet.

I have been the FTSC chairman for over a decade. I know how difficult it is to make such changes. We have no time machines. Ever so often one just has to live with the consequences of unfortunate choices made in the past and make the best of it.

Anyway with TZUTC, though maybe a bit kludgy, you can get the same
result (obtaining the UTC time) if the software supports this. But
other than Jamnntpd, no idea what editors or packages do (I'm testing several ones, little by little)

It is not to late to update Golded. It is open source...


Cheers, Michiel

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Carlos,

I suppose that they didn't think it would expand so much. Or they just didn't think too much about this. :-)

The latter, but 35-40 years later everyone's an expert.

They also messed the region-numbering for example.

\%/@rd

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I suppose that they didn't think it would expand so much. Or they just didn't think too much about this. :-)

Maybe. Or maybe they considered GMT a "European thing". Like meters and kilogra
s. So they ignored it...

Several of the offices involved in weather reporting have used it for years. However, the general US public has enough trouble figuring out the time
zones in the mainland US these days. They taught us about why there are
time zones, what GMT is, etc., in school. I guess they don't teach that
any more. In my experience, many people cannot even understand a 24 hour clock.

Mike


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Hello Mike.

<On 08Aug2021 10:09 Mike Powell (1:2320/105) wrote a message to MICHIEL VAN DER VLIST regarding TZUTC >

Maybe. Or maybe they considered GMT a "European thing". Like meters
and kilograms. So they ignored it...

Several of the offices involved in weather reporting have used it
for years. However, the general US public has enough trouble
figuring out the time zones in the mainland US these days. They
taught us about why there are time zones, what GMT is, etc., in
school. I guess they don't teach that any more. In my experience,
many people cannot even understand a 24 hour clock.

Mike, I'm afraid you're right. I don't believe they teach anything relative to time in school any longer... For that matter, I don't believe they teach much of anything worthwhile now-a-days. I grew up with the 24 hour clock in my family and still keep time like that - even on my wristwatch. Amazing ignorance.

Best regards,
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Hello Mike,

On Sunday August 08 2021 10:09, you wrote to me:

Maybe. Or maybe they considered GMT a "European thing". Like meters
and kilogra s. So they ignored it...

Several of the offices involved in weather reporting have used it for years. However, the general US public has enough trouble figuring out
the time zones in the mainland US these days.

A Fidonet sysop is not representative for the general US public would you not say?

They taught us about why there are time zones, what GMT is, etc., in school. I guess they don't teach that any more. In my experience,
many people cannot even understand a 24 hour clock.

24 hour clocks are in general use here. Digital clocks are almost always configured for 24 hour format. Broadcast guides are in 24 hour format. Public transport uses 24 hour format for the time tables.


Cheers, Michiel
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07 Aug 2021 17:19, you wrote to me:

Hi, Carlos!

When there are several blank lines, you might remove all of them
but one. Carlos

Now we'll find out if it turned out the way you suggest. ;)

There are 2 blank lines.

Want to try with this?

3333 3 3 3 3 3333 33 3 3333 333 33 33333333 33333 333
333 333 3 3 333 33 3 3 3 3333 3 33333 333 333 3333 333 3.

333 333 33 3333 33 3 333.

2 22222 222 22 2 222 222 222 222222 2 2 222222 2222222 2
22222 22 222222 22222 2222 222 22222 22222222 2222

2222 22 2222 222222 22 2 222 222222.

111 1111111 1111 111111 1111111 1111 1 11111 1111 1111
11111 11111 111111 111111 1111111 11111 111 11111111

1111 1 1 111111111 111 111 11111 111 1 11111111 111 111 1
111 111111 11 111 11111 111.

0000 00 00000 0000 0000000 00 00000 00000 000000 0 0 00000 00 00000 0000 00 00000 00 0 0 00000 00 0 0000 0000 00 000 0000 00 0000 000 00 000 0000 000 000 00 0 0 0000.

0000 0 000 00000 0 0000 00.

Carlos
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08 Aug 2021 15:56, you wrote to me:

They also messed the region-numbering for example.

Do you mean that net numbers are not related to region numbers, like in z2 (mostly) and z4?

Carlos
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08 Aug 2021 13:59, you wrote to me:

Maybe. Or maybe they considered GMT a "European thing". Like meters
and kilograms. So they ignored it...

:-)

Anyway with TZUTC, though maybe a bit kludgy, you can get the
same result (obtaining the UTC time) if the software supports
this. But other than Jamnntpd, no idea what editors or packages
do (I'm testing several ones, little by little)

It is not to late to update Golded. It is open source...

True. That's great.

Carlos
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Hi, Carlos!

07 Aug 2021 17:19, you wrote to me:
There are 2 blank lines.
Want to try with this?
0000 00 00000 0000 0000000 00 00000 00000 000000 0 0 00000 00 00000 0000 00 00000 00 0 0 00000 00 0 0000 0000 00 000 0000 00 0000 000 00 000 0000 000 000 00 0 0 0000.
0000 0 000 00000 0 0000 00.
Carlos

Ok. Let's see what we get...

Have a nice carrot!
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They also messed the region-numbering for example.

Do you mean that net numbers are not related to region numbers, like in
z2 (mostly) and z4?

It would have made a lot of sense to use the CCITT-numbering scheme as region numbers ... but the founding fathers in all their wisdom had no clue ...

\%/@rd

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09 Aug 2021 14:01, you wrote to me:

There are 2 blank lines.
Want to try with this?
0000 00 00000 0000 0000000 00 00000 00000 000000 0 0 00000 00
00000 0000 00 00000 00 0 0 00000 00 0 0000 0000 00 000 0000 00
0000 000 00 000 0000 000 000 00 0 0 0000.
0000 0 000 00000 0 0000 00.
Carlos

Ok. Let's see what we get...

Now you're removing all blank lines, and also the 2nd level quotes.

Carlos
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Maybe. Or maybe they considered GMT a "European thing". Like meters
and kilogra s. So they ignored it...

Several of the offices involved in weather reporting have used it for years. However, the general US public has enough trouble figuring out the time zones in the mainland US these days.

A Fidonet sysop is not representative for the general US public would you not s
y?

I would suspect not. :)

24 hour clocks are in general use here. Digital clocks are almost always config
red for 24 hour format. Broadcast guides are in 24 hour format. Public transpor
uses 24 hour format for the time tables.

Here, AM and PM are more popular. If a clock I have supports it, it
reports in 24 hour format. Makes doing math using time much easier.

Mike


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Hi, Carlos!

09 Aug 2021 14:01, you wrote to me:
Now you're removing all blank lines, and also the 2nd level quotes.
Carlos

Yes. As intended. No?

Have a nice carrot!
Brother Rabbit.

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10 Aug 2021 19:14, you wrote to me:

09 Aug 2021 14:01, you wrote to me:
Now you're removing all blank lines, and also the 2nd level
quotes. Carlos

Yes. As intended. No?

I thought you intended to keep the 2nd level quotes.

As for the blank lines, it looks better if you leave just one, as I suggested.

See my next message.

Carlos

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09 Aug 2021 11:11, I wrote to you:

07 Aug 2021 17:19, you wrote to me:

Hi, Carlos!

Now we'll find out if it turned out the way you suggest. ;)

There are 2 blank lines.

Want to try with this?

111 1111111 1111 111111 1111111 1111 1 11111 1111 1111
11111 11111 111111 111111 1111111 11111 111 11111111

1111 1 1 111111111 111 111 11111 111 1 11111111 111 111 1
111 111111 11 111 11111 111.

0000 00 00000 0000 0000000 00 00000 00000 000000 0 0 00000 00 00000
0000 00 00000 00 0 0 00000 00 0 0000 0000 00 000 0000 00 0000 000 00
000 0000 000 000 00 0 0 0000.

0000 0 000 00000 0 0000 00.

This is how I thought you were going to do: 3rd (and upper) level quotes removed, replaced by just one blank line.

Carlos

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09 Aug 2021 13:15, you wrote to me:

It would have made a lot of sense to use the CCITT-numbering scheme as region numbers ... but the founding fathers in all their wisdom had no clue ...

Maybe if/when zones are merged... :-)

Carlos

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Hi, Carlos!

10 áóú 21 22:16, Carlos Navarro -> Brother Rabbit:

Yes. As intended. No?

I thought you intended to keep the 2nd level quotes.

What for?

As for the blank lines, it looks better if you leave just one, as I suggested.

Ok. I'll try.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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On 13/8/21 10:20 you wrote:

I thought you intended to keep the 2nd level quotes.

What for?

August asked you:
"Is your goal to strip out the 3rd(+) level of quoting on the path from Telegram to Fido? That's pretty good and reduces the clutter."
You replied:
"Yes. You are right."

So I assumed you intended to keep the 2nd level.

(But honestly I don't really care.)

As for the blank lines, it looks better if you leave just one, as
I suggested.

Ok. I'll try.

Fine.

Carlos
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