On 2022 Jan 29 02:00:36, you wrote to Ghil Zvidgzul:

before the Internet in '70s and '80s there were Public data networks
in Europe, America and Australia I had no idea about.

X.25 is a "son" of "Internet", which was ArpaNet. Why you are sill
posting those childish posts? :)

i see no problem with them asking their questions... i certainly don't see their questions or posts as childish... i see no problem in sharing the memories one might have of those times...

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On 2022 Jan 28 18:09:38, you wrote to Dmitry Protasoff:

But I can't imagine a sysop with 1200 or 2400 baud modem calling from Europe to America to exchange mail between Zone 2 and Zone 1 even in
the '80s.

that's exactly what happened, though... in the mid '80s, my portion of one phone bill was $400+US for several months... all of it due to use of a computer on the phone lines... then i set up my own BBS and let other's call my system... the only non-local area calls my system made at that time was to one of the large echomail systems in another state to pull in the waiting traffic for my system... at that time i think $150US to $200US for the phone bill... it would have been more if i had been calling a system within my state but outside of my local calling area, the phone bill would have been more... in-state long distance is more expensive than out-of-state LD...

that average phone bill stayed in that same range even as i acquired high speed modems... why? i moved more traffic in the same amount of time at the higher speeds... when the internet came along, my phone bill dropped because i was able to make a local call and move some traffic through that local POTS connection instead of over LD POTS connections...

my system has, numerous times in the past pre-internet days, called luxembourg, australia, england, and germany (to list a few) to deliver fidonet netmail and files over POTS lines... the cost wasn't more than $1US for each call... it wasn't so bad but it also wasn't a lot of traffic every day... if my pockets had been deeper back in the day, i might have considered LD hubbing like that sooner than i did...

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my system has, numerous times in the past pre-internet days, called luxembourg, australia,

FrontDoor related? ;)



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Hello, mark!

Sunday January 30 2022 04:14, you wrote to me:

i see no problem with them asking their questions... i certainly don't

He is our local Russian troll who is posting from multiple fake names and who is not interested in anything except his ego. So it was just my attempt to remind him about that :) He's main "ego" is quite aggressive anti-western guy.

But your memoires are more than appreciated, of course. Especially since most of the interviews available online are about US centric history of Fidonet's creation. This needs to be changed.

Best regards,
dp.
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Hello, Dmitry!

He is our local Russian troll who is posting from multiple fake names
and who is not interested in anything except his ego. So it was just
my attempt to remind him about that :) He's main "ego" is quite
aggressive anti-western guy.

I'm not anti-western, and I'm not russian. And I think you're confusing me with someone else because I don't use multiple names, just this. And I told already that I don't agree that you have to stick with the name in your passport because your parents gave it to you, you can chose your own name.

Ghil.
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Hello, Ghil!

Sunday January 30 2022 14:20, you wrote to me:

confusing me with someone else because I don't use multiple names,

You do.

just this. And I told already that I don't agree that you have to
stick with the name in your passport because your parents gave it to
you, you can chose your own name.

Just not 3 different one, but with the same editor/tosser software version :)


Best regards,
dp.
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On 29/01/2022 08:30, Ghil Zvidgzul : mark lewis wrote:

I keep going back in history (before I was born) and I find out that before the Internet in '70s and '80s there were Public data networks in Europe, America and Australia I had no idea about. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packet_switching#X.25_era

The AUSPAC network mentioned in the above link was owned/operated by Australia's largest ISP/telcom provider. One had to pay a subscription fee to access it. The modems operated in a split speed mode, 1200bps inbound and 75bps out. It was sort of like a Fidonet ANSI graphic screen.

I was a subscriber in those days but don't remember how much I paid.

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On 29/01/2022 09:00, Dmitry Protasoff : Ghil Zvidgzul wrote:

 GZ>> before the Internet in '70s and '80s there were Public data networks
 GZ>> in Europe, America and Australia I had no idea about.

X.25 is a "son" of "Internet", which was ArpaNet. Why you are sill
posting those childish posts? :)

Maybe he is a child?
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David

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Hello, David!

I keep going back in history (before I was born) and I find out
that before the Internet in '70s and '80s there were Public data
networks in Europe, America and Australia I had no idea about.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packet_switching#X.25_era

The AUSPAC network mentioned in the above link was owned/operated by Australia's largest ISP/telcom provider. One had to pay a subscription
fee to access it. The modems operated in a split speed mode, 1200bps inbound and 75bps out. It was sort of like a Fidonet ANSI graphic
screen.

And you had access to what? Files? Email? You could chat? What could you do if you had access to AUSPAC? How things worked back then? Or using this network you could join other networks without paying too much for the phone calls?

Ghil.
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Hello, David!

Monday January 31 2022 15:44, you wrote to me:

X.25 is a "son" of "Internet", which was ArpaNet. Why you are
sill posting those childish posts? :)

Maybe he is a child?

No, he is in his 30s.

But in fact BBN (Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc.) created Arpanet's core and after that sidelaunched Telenet using the same software with some additions.
Telenet was the "USA" in X.25 negotiations with European's telcos, so X.25 is a common son of american and french companies (Telenet and PTT) with some smaller ideas from other countries.



Best regards,
dp.
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On 31/01/2022 20:31, Ghil Zvidgzul : David Drummond wrote:

 DD>> The modems operated in a split speed mode, 1200bps
 DD>> inbound and 75bps out. It was sort of like a Fidonet ANSI graphic
 DD>> screen.

And you had access to what? Files? Email? You could chat? What could you do if you had access to AUSPAC? How things worked back then? Or using
this network you could join other networks without paying too much for
the phone calls?

It did not offer email that I recall, and was pretty much an online database, with a few other data suppliers blended in.

No file downloads that I can remember, nor chat with other users.

They supplied the required terminal program.

Call cost was for a local call.

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On 2022 Jan 30 12:47:06, you wrote to me:

my system has, numerous times in the past pre-internet days, called
luxembourg, australia,

FrontDoor related? ;)

those two were FD and RA related...

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my system has, numerous times in the past pre-internet days, called luxembourg, australia, england, and germany (to list a few) to deliver fidonet netmail...

Big deal ... ny system called 5 ZCs weekly at least twice plus countles European regions which was "always" an international call ... you have no idea ...

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On 2022 Feb 02 18:59:02, you wrote to me:

my system has, numerous times in the past pre-internet days, called
luxembourg, australia, england, and germany (to list a few) to
deliver fidonet netmail...

Big deal ... ny system called 5 ZCs weekly at least twice plus
countles European regions which was "always" an international call ...

i answered a question asked of me... what you and your system did and do are not my concern as long as they can communicate when necessary...

you have no idea ...

stop trying to make some sort of argument or big deal out of it...

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mark,

you have no idea ...

stop trying to make some sort of argument or big deal out of it...

Stop trying to make a big deal out of what you think you did ...

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On 2022 Feb 03 13:22:16, you wrote to me:

you have no idea ...

stop trying to make some sort of argument or big deal out of it...

Stop trying to make a big deal out of what you think you did ...

i know what i have done in the years i've been in fidonet... i'm certainly not trying to make a big deal of it... all i've done is answer a few questions asked of me... you are the one trying to blow things out of proportion...

EOT

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mark lewis wrote to Ward Dossche <=-

you have no idea ...

stop trying to make some sort of argument or big deal out of it...

Stop trying to make a big deal out of what you think you did ...

i know what i have done in the years i've been in fidonet... i'm
certainly not trying to make a big deal of it... all i've done is
answer a few questions asked of me... you are the one trying to blow things out of proportion...

Let's just take a moment out of the back-and-forth to appreciate the fact
that I could get 3 messages in this thread in the same message packet. Back when Mark was polling ZCs, it'd have taken days to get back and forth. :)




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Kurt,

Let's just take a moment out of the back-and-forth to appreciate the fact that I could get 3 messages in this thread in the same message packet.
Back when Mark was polling ZCs, it'd have taken days to get back and
forth. :)

You are aware, of course, that ZCs are not primary mailmovers by definition ... 8-)

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Ward Dossche wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

You are aware, of course, that ZCs are not primary mailmovers by definition ... 8-)

Yes, nor are RCs, but here I am routing mail for my region. Many hats, these days.


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You are aware, of course, that ZCs are not primary mailmovers by
definition ... 8-)

Yes, nor are RCs, but here I am routing mail for my region. Many hats, these days.

I always routed and moved netmail as soon as I had a *C-hat. It is so logical to do that ...

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