Hi, Ghil Zvidgzul!
I read your message from 28.01.2022 12:20

ak>> Let's make the situation with the Russian language oppression in
ak>> Ukraine still more simpler -- a weak person (nation) can be
ak>> offended by a strong person. He can force a weak person to make
ak>> and accept anything unpleasant, a rape including. But if instead
ak>> of a weak person there will be a strong person he will not allow
ak>> to be offended and fight back and will make a running nose to the
ak>> offender.

GZ> How is russian language opressed? Zelenski, ukrainian president, is
GZ> speaking russian most of the time, and sometimes he switches to
GZ> ukrainian on TV. I saw footages on youtube from ukrainian front
GZ> where ukrainian soldiers were speaking russian and at the same time
GZ> they want Ukraine to be whole again. Most of the soldiers if they
GZ> are from eastern part of the country speak russian and at the same
GZ> time they hate separatists so much. But this is because of
GZ> russification. And here is a map from 1914 (you can't blame Lenin
GZ> or bolsheviks for that):

https://tinyurl.com/bdeh8azt

On the market you try to sell in your sack a dog instead of a piglet.
Govori (or dialects) (the map is govori map) has nothing in common with languages.
It is the map of dialects of the Russain language across Russia, but the Ukrainian language is not a dialect. The map tells how Russian language
was distorted on different part of Russia. And in Ukraine of course it
has the influence of the Ukraine and Polish languages. The author
exactly told about dialects of the Russian language.

GZ> You see in Kuban and Donbass they spoke ukrainian (little russian).
GZ> Ukrainians in the Donbass were affected by the 1932-'33 Holodomor
GZ> famine and the Russification policy of Joseph Stalin. As most
GZ> ethnic Ukrainians were rural peasant farmers, the majority of those
GZ> who died during the famine in the Ukrainian SSR were ethnic
GZ> Ukrainians.

It is a propaganda -- in that famine killed people many nations, Russian including. It is a lie to say that it was only Ukrainians. Volga region
was effected not less than part of Ukraine.

Bye, Ghil!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 28.01.2022 13:49

ak>>>> speak the Tartar language (2.5%). All the people
ak>>>> that came from Ukraine speak Russian.
DP>>> Because Russia/Soviet Union tried several times to force
DP>>> Ukranians speak Russian. It was impossible to live in
DP>>> Soviet Union without at least some knowledge of Russian
DP>>> language.
ak>> Read my answer to Ghil about a strong and a weak persons.
DP> I still don't get why you don't want the same language law for
DP> Ukraine as we have in Russia? Because you are Russian
DP> nationalists?

I say it once more -- Ukraine is divided in two parts, and it was always obvious. Western Ukrainians hate Russians and they probably have the
right not to learn Russian. As well as Russians in eastern and southern
parts have right not to speak Ukrainian. They are equal in this
question, and when somebody orders any people to speak different
language it violates their freedom. If Russian people in Ukraine be
happy to start speak Ukrainian there will be no Crimea separation and
Dombass war.

Bye, Dmitry!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hello, alexander!

https://tinyurl.com/bdeh8azt

On the market you try to sell in your sack a dog instead of a piglet. Govori (or dialects) (the map is govori map) has nothing in common
with languages. It is the map of dialects of the Russain language

In 1914 in Russian Empire that was exactly how the russian language was divided by the linguists into: Great Russian, Little Russian and White Russian (each with it's own 'govory'). Little Russian (ukrainian) was spoken exactly where the map shows. Ukrainian(litte russian) and Belarus (white russian) weren't even considered languages but merely dialects of the russian language.
In fact in Moscow and Vladivostok today they speak exactly the same language because the spoken form of the "Russian language" which is Moscovian dialect/Standard Russian was that of the nobility and bourgeoise in the Russian empire. Peasant's speech was not studied and after the Russian Revolution rapidly declined and dissapeared.

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Hello, alexander!

Sunday January 30 2022 16:58, you wrote to me:

I still don't get why you don't want the same language law for
Ukraine as we have in Russia? Because you are Russian
nationalists?

I say it once more -- Ukraine is divided in two parts, and it was
always obvious. Western Ukrainians hate Russians and they probably

I've been there and no one around hated me.

have the right not to learn Russian. As well as Russians in eastern

"Right no to learn Russian" - that's funny!

and southern parts have right not to speak Ukrainian. They are equal

Why? In Russia everyone have to speak Russian. Even those people who were heavily prosecuted because they part of some ethnic group.

in this question, and when somebody orders any people to speak
different language it violates their freedom. If Russian people in

So a guy in Osetia have no freedom because he is forced to speak Russian?


Best regards,
dp.
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A lie is a bad thing. Russia supports the right of the Russian people
in eastern Ukraine live as Russian people, as they did for hundreds of years before.

Boundary lines change. Such as the United States inheriting territory. Unfortunately Biden is literally Putin's puppet more than the left in the United States thinking Trump was Putin's puppet.
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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 30.01.2022 17:57

DP> Why? In Russia everyone have to speak Russian. Even those
DP> people who were heavily prosecuted because they part of some
DP> ethnic group.
ak>> in this question, and when somebody orders any people to
ak>> speak different language it violates their freedom. If
ak>> Russian people in
DP> So a guy in Osetia have no freedom because he is forced to
DP> speak Russian?

It depends how much people are against the order. it is very incorrect
to compare Russians via Ossetians in Russia and Russians and Ukrainians
in the present-day Ukraine. Beside this -- who is the person who must be called an Ukrainian?

The situation would be similar in one case: if Ossetian people spoke
Ossetian language and suddenly Russian authority issued an order for
them to speak Russian. Russia has never issued such order, even in the
Tsarist time -- it happened historically, without orders - the Ossetian
people understood that it is useless to isolate themselves in their
small territory. In other words the initiative to speak Russian was from
them, and it was their decision.

Bye, Dmitry!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hello, alexander!

Monday January 31 2022 09:26, you wrote to me:

It depends how much people are against the order. it is very incorrect

"Order" is not something we have in Russia ;)

to compare Russians via Ossetians in Russia and Russians and
Ukrainians in the present-day Ukraine. Beside this -- who is the
person who must be called an Ukrainian?

I know some of them. Nice people, BTW!

The situation would be similar in one case: if Ossetian people spoke Ossetian language and suddenly Russian authority issued an order for
them to speak Russian. Russia has never issued such order, even in the

It was like this, in fact.

Tsarist time -- it happened historically, without orders - the
Ossetian people understood that it is useless to isolate themselves in their small territory. In other words the initiative to speak Russian
was from them, and it was their decision.

No, they were forced to do it. Just ask anyone from Osetia - are they ok to use they native language for school exams?


Best regards,
dp.
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