• Bits & Bobs

    From Dave Drum@1:18/200 to Ruth Haffly on Wed Jan 8 10:17:00 2025
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    You'll be surprised how quickly they fill up. Bv)=

    I know; I've been using quart boxes and filling in open spaces. I need
    to consolidate the drawers so I'll have more room. When we bought the freezer, we decided one drawer each for beef, poultry, pork and all
    other. Some of them are close to empty, others have a ways to go yet.

    once in a while I hold a "clean-out" session and get rid of the
    science projects, especially those that have grown blue fur or
    are otherwise unrecognisable

    I try to keep track of that as I pull other things out of the fridge.

    I've got a mini-fridge in the confuser room that holds (mostly) drinks
    and snacks like individual servings of yoghurt and chip dips. Also 1#
    blocks of butter and packets of cream cheese.

    Oh, I do too. Sometimes it grates me when I pull out stuff destined
    for the bin and set it on the stove and I get distracted before taking
    it to the wheelie bin ... then come back to find that Dennis has put it all back in the fridge. Not that he has a "system" and it's all easy to get at right up front. It just fries me a little.

    Understandable. You didn't know all the little quirks like that before
    you started living together.

    We've been friends since high school over 60 years ago. One time he
    was there when took a container from the icebox and tossed it in the
    bin. He said "I was saving that!" So I asked "Did you give it a name? Because it's alive." Bv)=

    No name but a descriptive label helps. I try to label all that goes
    into the freezer, then put it on an inventory sheet. When it comes out,
    it gets crossed off the sheet.

    I try to use clear(ish) containers for stuff I stash. Labels are a good
    idea if using opaque containers.

    chance. And the mutts eat well. I call Jasper "super-mooch". If I'm at
    my desk when I have my meal I'll put the plate/bowl on the floor when
    I'm finished and Jasper or Isobel will pre-wash it for me. Bv)=

    Old Scout camp skit--"greenhorn asks old timer if his bowl is clean,
    old timer says it is "as clean as 3 Rivers can get it". Greenhorn
    figures that is mighty clean, then old timer calls "cm'ere 3 Rivers".

    That old saw is older than either you or me.

    Older than Dan'l Boone? (G)

    The actual person or the Fess Parker movie?

    8<----- WHACK ----->8

    I grew up camping in tents with no floors. The last night out on one of our family trips we hit a storm so hard we had rivers running thru the tents. Before the next outing Dad bought new tents--with floors. Steve
    and I started camping with a tent that had a floor. Didn't do a lot so when the Savannah Boy Scout troop had their equiment trailer stolen, we were among those that donated replacement camping gear. Kept sleeping bags, lantern and stove, got our first camper in December, 2015.

    I learned early-on about digging a "moat" around the tent. Especially if
    on a slope. Channels the water around rather than through. Bv)= Thank
    you Boy Scouts.

    I miss having a dog or cat but know it is in the best interest of my health that we don't. "Met" Rachel's dogs on our Christmas day video
    chat, will do the in person meet up in a few months.

    When Dennis' son and new D-I-L find a house they'll take the mutts
    back and I'll hit an "adoption" event so I can get a cat. They're a
    lot lower maintenance than a bow-wow.

    In some ways, plus they're "quiet" company. Steve was gone for almost a year when we were in Berlin--Army advancement school, then retrain in Arabic. Girls were younger, went to bed earlier so it was nice to have Jenny-cat curled up at the other end of the couch those long nights.
    The year Steve was in Korea, the girls were older, stayed up later and
    we had Sam, the cocker spaniel. Quite the difference! (G)

    A cat purring in your ear helps you to sleep. And you don't have to get
    up to let them out to do their "business" in the middle of te night.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Zagat for Cats & Dogs
    Categories: Poultry, Vegetables, Grains, Squash
    Yield: 21 Servings

    MMMMM----------------------------CATS---------------------------------
    2 1/2 lb Whole chicken; bones, skin,
    - organs and all
    1/4 c Chopped fresh garlic
    1 c Green peas
    1 c Coarse chopped carrots
    1/2 c Coarse chopped sweet potato
    1/2 c Coarse chopped zucchini
    1/2 c Coarse chopped yellow squash
    1/2 c Coarsely chopped green beans
    1/2 c Coarse chopped celery
    1 tb Kelp powder
    1 tb Dried rosemary
    11 c (to 16 c) spring water

    MMMMM-----------------------FOR MUTTS ADD----------------------------
    8 oz Whole barley
    6 oz Rolled oats
    Water content to cover extra
    - ingredients

    Combine all the ingredients in a 10 Qt. Stock pot, with
    enough water to cover. Bring to a boil, then reduce heat
    and simmer for 2 hours.

    Remove from heat, let cool, and debone the chicken. Use an
    electric hand mixer or food processor to puree the food,
    working in batches.

    Cats like the stew soupier, so feel free to add a little
    water at the end.

    Store meal-size portions in resealable plastic bags or
    yogurt containers. Refrigerate what your'll need for 3
    days and freeze the rest.

    Number of Servings: 21

    From AARP Magazine: The Whole Pet Diet - by Andi Brown

    From: http://www.sparkpeople.com

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Wed Jan 8 16:14:58 2025
    Hi Dave,

    I try to keep track of that as I pull other things out of the fridge.

    I've got a mini-fridge in the confuser room that holds (mostly) drinks
    and snacks like individual servings of yoghurt and chip dips. Also 1# blocks of butter and packets of cream cheese.

    Our house is small enough that it's not that much of a walk from the
    computer room to the kitchen. The fridge is on the left as you enter,
    easy to open and grab something from it.


    We've been friends since high school over 60 years ago. One time he
    was there when took a container from the icebox and tossed it in the
    bin. He said "I was saving that!" So I asked "Did you give it a name? Because it's alive." Bv)=

    No name but a descriptive label helps. I try to label all that goes
    into the freezer, then put it on an inventory sheet. When it comes out,
    it gets crossed off the sheet.

    I try to use clear(ish) containers for stuff I stash. Labels are a
    good idea if using opaque containers.

    Labels are also good if you have several things that look similar. The
    Moroccan chicken could be mistaken for chili, different soups look
    similar when boxed and frozen, etc.

    That old saw is older than either you or me.

    Older than Dan'l Boone? (G)

    The actual person or the Fess Parker movie?

    The actual person. Fess played Dan'l Boone on TV; he played Davy Crocket
    in the Disney movie.

    our family trips we hit a storm so hard we had rivers running thru the tents. Before the next outing Dad bought new tents--with floors. Steve
    and I started camping with a tent that had a floor. Didn't do a lot so when the Savannah Boy Scout troop had their equiment trailer stolen, we were among those that donated replacement camping gear. Kept sleeping bags, lantern and stove, got our first camper in December, 2015.

    I learned early-on about digging a "moat" around the tent. Especially
    if on a slope. Channels the water around rather than through. Bv)=
    Thank you Boy Scouts.

    Dad was big in Boy Scouts--was one as a kid, troop leader & troop
    committe for many years as an adult. I think he went on almost every
    camp out the local troop had as long as my brothers were in, and then
    some. But he never ditched (don't know if it wasn't allowed where we
    stayed) the family camp sites.

    I miss having a dog or cat but know it is in the best interest of
    my RH> health that we don't. "Met" Rachel's dogs on our Christmas day
    video RH> chat, will do the in person meet up in a few months.

    When Dennis' son and new D-I-L find a house they'll take the mutts
    back and I'll hit an "adoption" event so I can get a cat. They're a
    lot lower maintenance than a bow-wow.

    In some ways, plus they're "quiet" company. Steve was gone for almost a year when we were in Berlin--Army advancement school, then retrain in Arabic. Girls were younger, went to bed earlier so it was nice to have Jenny-cat curled up at the other end of the couch those long nights.
    The year Steve was in Korea, the girls were older, stayed up later and
    we had Sam, the cocker spaniel. Quite the difference! (G)

    A cat purring in your ear helps you to sleep. And you don't have to
    get up to let them out to do their "business" in the middle of te
    night.

    I know, I miss having one--but I appreciate being able to breath.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
    rchaffly{at}earthlink{dot}net FIDO 1:396/45.28


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  • From Dave Drum@1:396/45 to Ruth Haffly on Fri Jan 10 06:16:30 2025
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    I try to keep track of that as I pull other things out of the fridge.

    I've got a mini-fridge in the confuser room that holds (mostly) drinks
    and snacks like individual servings of yoghurt and chip dips. Also 1# blocks of butter and packets of cream cheese.

    Our house is small enough that it's not that much of a walk from the computer room to the kitchen. The fridge is on the left as you enter,
    easy to open and grab something from it.

    My kitchen is a *ONE* peson (at a time) affair. I have to turn slightly sideways to pass between the ice bo and the upright freezer. If one of
    us is in the kitchen doing something and the other needs/wants/desires
    some item or action either the person in the kitchen has to get it and
    hand it over - or leave the kitchen so the other can do what needs done.

    Shawn and I had a discussion about tiny kitchens so we swappped pixture
    via text messages. He say that I "won". Heck the kitchen in my old tin
    can (mobil home) was larder AND better laid out/more functional than
    what I now have.

    8<----- HACK ----->8

    That old saw is older than either you or me.

    Older than Dan'l Boone? (G)

    The actual person or the Fess Parker movie?

    The actual person. Fess played Dan'l Boone on TV; he played Davy
    Crocket in the Disney movie.

    Errrrmmmm, IIRC both were on the glass teat. Ctockett was probably the
    first "mini-series" in 3 parts. Frontiersman, Congress critter, and the
    Alamo. Not counting the song.

    our family trips we hit a storm so hard we had rivers running thru the tents. Before the next outing Dad bought new tents--with floors. Steve
    and I started camping with a tent that had a floor. Didn't do a lot so when the Savannah Boy Scout troop had their equiment trailer stolen, we were among those that donated replacement camping gear. Kept sleeping bags, lantern and stove, got our first camper in December, 2015.

    I learned early-on about digging a "moat" around the tent. Especially
    if on a slope. Channels the water around rather than through. Bv)=
    Thank you Boy Scouts.

    Dad was big in Boy Scouts--was one as a kid, troop leader & troop
    committe for many years as an adult. I think he went on almost every
    camp out the local troop had as long as my brothers were in, and then some. But he never ditched (don't know if it wasn't allowed where we stayed) the family camp sites.

    Well the Boy Sprouts is where I learned that trick. I think "Boy's Life"
    (the Boy Scout magazine) had a feature on it. I could be wrong as that
    was about 70 years ago.

    I miss having a dog or cat but know it is in the best interest of
    my health that we don't. "Met" Rachel's dogs on our Christmas day
    video chat, will do the in person meet up in a few months.

    When Dennis' son and new D-I-L find a house they'll take the mutts
    back and I'll hit an "adoption" event so I can get a cat. They're a
    lot lower maintenance than a bow-wow.

    In some ways, plus they're "quiet" company. Steve was gone for almost a year when we were in Berlin--Army advancement school, then retrain in Arabic. Girls were younger, went to bed earlier so it was nice to have Jenny-cat curled up at the other end of the couch those long nights.
    The year Steve was in Korea, the girls were older, stayed up later and
    we had Sam, the ####er spaniel. Quite the difference! (G)

    A cat purring in your ear helps you to sleep. And you don't have to
    get up to let them out to do their "business" in the middle of te
    night.

    I know, I miss having one--but I appreciate being able to breath.

    Dennis has severe asthma. His twice daily inhaler helps with everyting
    but pollen season. I bought him an air "purifier" as a holiday gift two Decembers ago. But he wouldn't even unpack it from its box. His son and
    new D-I-L currently have it. This year I gave him a travel mug so he can
    take his instant coffee with. That he uses. Bv)=

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Overnight Apricot Pecan Coffee Cake
    Categories: Cakes, Fruits, Nuts, Herbs
    Yield: 15 servings

    1 c Sugar
    3/4 c Butter; softened
    2 lg Eggs; room temp
    1 ts Vanilla extract
    2 c A-P flour
    1 ts Baking powder
    1 ts Baking soda
    1/2 ts Salt
    1 c Sour cream
    3/4 c Chopped dried apricots
    1 c Packed brown sugar
    3/4 c Chopped pecans; toasted
    1/2 ts Ground ginger

    In a large bowl, cream sugar and butter until light and
    fluffy, 5-7 minutes. Add eggs, 1 at a time, beating well
    after each addition. Beat in vanilla. In another bowl,
    whisk flour, baking powder, baking soda and salt; add to
    creamed mixture alternately with sour cream, beating
    well after each addition.

    Spread half of batter into a greased and floured 13 X 9"
    baking dish. Sprinkle with apricots. Combine brown
    sugar, pecans and ginger; sprinkle half over apricots.
    Drop remaining batter by tablespoonfuls over filling;
    spread gently with a spatula to cover filling. Sprinkle
    with remaining brown sugar mixture. Cover and
    refrigerate overnight.

    Remove from refrigerator 30 minutes before baking.

    Set oven @ 350ºF/175ºC.

    Bake, uncovered, until a toothpick inserted in center
    comes out clean, 35-40 minutes. Serve warm.

    Trisha Kruse, Eagle, Idaho

    Makes: 15 servings

    RECIPE FROM: https://www.tasteofhome.com

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Fri Jan 10 14:42:34 2025
    Hi Dave,


    I've got a mini-fridge in the confuser room that holds (mostly) drinks

    Our house is small enough that it's not that much of a walk from the computer room to the kitchen. The fridge is on the left as you enter,
    easy to open and grab something from it.

    My kitchen is a *ONE* peson (at a time) affair. I have to turn
    slightly sideways to pass between the ice bo and the upright freezer.

    Now that is small! I don't think I've ever had a kitchen that small
    except in the campers.


    If one of
    us is in the kitchen doing something and the other needs/wants/desires some item or action either the person in the kitchen has to get it and hand it over - or leave the kitchen so the other can do what needs
    done.

    You didn't realise when you bought the house that a small kitchen was
    going to be a problem?


    Shawn and I had a discussion about tiny kitchens so we swappped
    pixture via text messages. He say that I "won". Heck the kitchen in my
    old tin
    can (mobil home) was larder AND better laid out/more functional than
    what I now have.

    I've had good sized kitchens and small ones with the various places we
    lived. The one in Berlin was nice, quite roomy, but it lacked a
    dishwasher (important to me, more so as I get older). The one in
    Savannah was in brand mew housing but not designed for a serious cook.
    Best part of that one (other than all new appliances) was a counter with cabinet space below and above that ran the length of one of the short
    walls, maybe about 6 feet. Other counter space was severely limited.

    8<----- HACK ----->8

    The actual person or the Fess Parker movie?

    The actual person. Fess played Dan'l Boone on TV; he played Davy
    Crockett in the Disney movie.

    Errrrmmmm, IIRC both were on the glass teat. Ctockett was probably the first "mini-series" in 3 parts. Frontiersman, Congress critter, and
    the Alamo. Not counting the song.

    Just a movie in 3 parts, hooking kids on watching "Wonderful World of
    Color" on Sunday nights after "Lassie". (G)

    our family trips we hit a storm so hard we had rivers running thru
    the RH> tents. Before the next outing Dad bought new tents--with
    floors. Steve RH> and I started camping with a tent that had a floor.

    I learned early-on about digging a "moat" around the tent. Especially
    if on a slope. Channels the water around rather than through. Bv)=
    Thank you Boy Scouts.

    Dad was big in Boy Scouts--was one as a kid, troop leader & troop
    committe for many years as an adult. I think he went on almost every
    camp out the local troop had as long as my brothers were in, and then some. But he never ditched (don't know if it wasn't allowed where we stayed) the family camp sites.

    Well the Boy Sprouts is where I learned that trick. I think "Boy's
    Life" (the Boy Scout magazine) had a feature on it. I could be wrong
    as that was about 70 years ago.

    I stopped reading "Boy's Life" when I left home, probably for college.

    A cat purring in your ear helps you to sleep. And you don't have to
    get up to let them out to do their "business" in the middle of te
    night.

    I know, I miss having one--but I appreciate being able to breath.

    Dennis has severe asthma. His twice daily inhaler helps with everyting
    but pollen season. I bought him an air "purifier" as a holiday gift
    two Decembers ago. But he wouldn't even unpack it from its box. His
    son and new D-I-L currently have it. This year I gave him a travel mug
    so he can take his instant coffee with. That he uses. Bv)=

    I have both albuterol and Trelegy--doctor started me on that last summer
    after about 23 years of Advair. Latter was my miracle drug; that and a
    good pulmonology doctor in Hawaii really got my asthma under control.
    Last few years tho, I've been having more and more problems--bad lungs
    from years of bronchitis and pneumonia so the Trelegy adds a 3rd
    medication to the 2 that the Advair has and it seems to be starting to
    help.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Dave Drum@1:18/200 to Ruth Haffly on Sun Jan 12 11:15:00 2025
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    I've got a mini-fridge in the confuser room that holds (mostly) drinks

    Our house is small enough that it's not that much of a walk from the computer room to the kitchen. The fridge is on the left as you enter,
    easy to open and grab something from it.

    My kitchen is a *ONE* peson (at a time) affair. I have to turn
    slightly sideways to pass between the ice bo and the upright freezer.

    Now that is small! I don't think I've ever had a kitchen that small
    except in the campers.

    When I call it a "Pullman" kitchen people think I'm joking. It's not a
    joke. In many ways it resembles the dining car galley on a ctoss-country rail-car.

    If one of
    us is in the kitchen doing something and the other needs/wants/desires some item or action either the person in the kitchen has to get it and hand it over - or leave the kitchen so the other can do what needs
    done.

    You didn't realise when you bought the house that a small kitchen was going to be a problem?

    Truthfully, I didn't even think about it. It didn't look obviously as inconvenient with everything except the appliances out and the swing
    down long counter on the inside wall in the raised position. I made a
    very "lowball" bid on the asking price ... mostly because it's on a
    high traffic artery and I was concerned about getiing out onto the road
    from the drive. In practice that has been a non-existent concern. But
    the kitchen more than makes up for it. Bv)=

    Shawn and I had a discussion about tiny kitchens so we swappped
    pixture via text messages. He say that I "won". Heck the kitchen
    in my old tin can (mobil home) was larder AND better laid out/more functional than what I now have.

    I've had good sized kitchens and small ones with the various places we lived. The one in Berlin was nice, quite roomy, but it lacked a
    dishwasher (important to me, more so as I get older). The one in
    Savannah was in brand mew housing but not designed for a serious cook. Best part of that one (other than all new appliances) was a counter
    with cabinet space below and above that ran the length of one of the
    short walls, maybe about 6 feet. Other counter space was severely
    limited.

    My first house had a kitchen about the same size as this one in square
    feet. But muich better laid out, Plus it had a pantry about half the
    size of the kitchen with plenty of shelving to stash extra pots and/or
    counter top appliances.

    8<----- HACK ----->8

    Dad was big in Boy Scouts--was one as a kid, troop leader & troop
    committe for many years as an adult. I think he went on almost every
    camp out the local troop had as long as my brothers were in, and then some. But he never ditched (don't know if it wasn't allowed where we stayed) the family camp sites.

    Well the Boy Sprouts is where I learned that trick. I think "Boy's
    Life" (the Boy Scout magazine) had a feature on it. I could be wrong
    as that was about 70 years ago.

    I stopped reading "Boy's Life" when I left home, probably for college.

    I stopped when I quit the scouts. We had a scoutmaster who really set
    off my "gay-dar". I didn't know that's what it was called at that stage
    of my life. But he really made me nervous. Read about him a few years
    later in the local newspaper after he was attacked and severely thrashed
    by a scout's father. That set off an investigation and he was "outed".
    I showed the article to my folks and told them "You always wondered
    why I quit the scouts? There it is."

    8<----- SHIFT ----->8

    A cat purring in your ear helps you to sleep. And you don't have to
    get up to let them out to do their "business" in the middle of te
    night.

    I know, I miss having one--but I appreciate being able to breath.

    Dennis has severe asthma. His twice daily inhaler helps with everyting
    but pollen season. I bought him an air "purifier" as a holiday gift
    two Decembers ago. But he wouldn't even unpack it from its box. His
    son and new D-I-L currently have it. This year I gave him a travel mug
    so he can take his instant coffee with. That he uses. Bv)=

    I have both albuterol and Trelegy--doctor started me on that last
    summer after about 23 years of Advair. Latter was my miracle drug; that and a good pulmonology doctor in Hawaii really got my asthma under control. Last few years tho, I've been having more and more
    problems--bad lungs from years of bronchitis and pneumonia so the
    Trelegy adds a 3rd medication to the 2 that the Advair has and it
    seems to be starting to help.

    I'm doing two puff twice a day of the advair and the albuterol is an
    "if, as and when" rescue inhaler. All down to 45 years of smoking 2
    packs a day unfiltered Camel cigarettes.

    Would that I had never picked up the first one.

    Dennis has a round, fat inhaler he hits twice a day then gargles. I
    can always tell when he's dne his inhaler. Him gargling sounds like
    an Opera singer warming up to warble. Bv)=

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Tobacco Onions
    Categories: Vegetables, Herbs, Chilies
    Yield: 4 Servings

    5 c Peanut or other light oil
    2 lg Sweet onions; peeled, sliced
    - 1/8" thick
    1 c All-purpose flour
    1 ts Paprika
    1 ts Salt
    1 ts Black pepper
    1/2 ts Cayenne

    Heat oil to 350├╕F/175├╕C on a food thermometer in a deep
    saucepan over medium heat. Combine remaining ingredients
    in a medium bowl and carefully toss to coat onions.
    Remove onion slices from flour mixture, shaking to
    remove excess.

    Fry a few slices at a time for approximately 10 minutes
    or until crisp and golden brown. Repeat until all onions
    are fried. Drain on paper towel.

    Recipe by Kathleen Morrison

    From: http://www.foodgeeks.com

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Sun Jan 12 20:05:44 2025
    Hi Dave,

    My kitchen is a *ONE* peson (at a time) affair. I have to turn
    slightly sideways to pass between the ice bo and the upright freezer.

    Now that is small! I don't think I've ever had a kitchen that small
    except in the campers.

    When I call it a "Pullman" kitchen people think I'm joking. It's not a joke. In many ways it resembles the dining car galley on a
    ctoss-country rail-car.

    When we did our last Alaska cruise (the one with the rail trip to
    Denali, then a couple of days in Fairbanks), we had lunch on the train.
    We were seated right near the entrance/exit to the kitchen; our seats
    were so that we could see in when people went in/out. I could see
    basically one counter where it looked like they were assembling the
    sandwiches. Menu choices were quite limited, mostly soups and
    sandwiches, but the train was a limited run. I understand the old time
    dining cars on cross country rail trips were quite impressive with what
    they turned out.

    If one of
    us is in the kitchen doing something and the other needs/wants/desires some item or action either the person in the kitchen has to get it and hand it over - or leave the kitchen so the other can do what needs
    done.

    You didn't realise when you bought the house that a small kitchen was going to be a problem?

    Truthfully, I didn't even think about it. It didn't look obviously as inconvenient with everything except the appliances out and the swing
    down long counter on the inside wall in the raised position. I made a
    very "lowball" bid on the asking price ... mostly because it's on a
    high traffic artery and I was concerned about getiing out onto the
    road from the drive. In practice that has been a non-existent concern.
    But the kitchen more than makes up for it. Bv)=

    We looked at several other houses, was less than impressed with the
    kitchens. This one has more counter space and drawers than the rental
    house; we'd bought a "butler" for extra counter space and storage so we
    took that with us. It takes up a bit of floor space but does give that
    extra bit of storage. It's also stationed right below our pot rack so we
    don't bump our head--too often. (G)

    Shawn and I had a discussion about tiny kitchens so we swappped DD>
    pixture via text messages. He say that I "won". Heck the kitchen DD> in
    my old tin can (mobil home) was larder AND better laid out/more DD>
    functional than what I now have.

    I've had good sized kitchens and small ones with the various places we lived. The one in Berlin was nice, quite roomy, but it lacked a
    dishwasher (important to me, more so as I get older). The one in
    Savannah was in brand mew housing but not designed for a serious cook. Best part of that one (other than all new appliances) was a counter
    with cabinet space below and above that ran the length of one of the
    short walls, maybe about 6 feet. Other counter space was severely
    limited.

    My first house had a kitchen about the same size as this one in square feet. But muich better laid out, Plus it had a pantry about half the
    size of the kitchen with plenty of shelving to stash extra pots
    and/or counter top appliances.

    Layout is important. In Savannah there was a small room right off the
    kitchen, going to the garage, for the washer and dryer. It had some
    shelving so we were able to stow extra kitchen stuff there.

    some. But he never ditched (don't know if it wasn't allowed where we stayed) the family camp sites.

    Well the Boy Sprouts is where I learned that trick. I think "Boy's
    Life" (the Boy Scout magazine) had a feature on it. I could be wrong
    as that was about 70 years ago.

    I stopped reading "Boy's Life" when I left home, probably for college.

    I stopped when I quit the scouts. We had a scoutmaster who really set
    off my "gay-dar". I didn't know that's what it was called at that
    stage of my life. But he really made me nervous. Read about him a few years
    later in the local newspaper after he was attacked and severely
    thrashed by a scout's father. That set off an investigation and he was "outed".
    I showed the article to my folks and told them "You always wondered
    why I quit the scouts? There it is."

    AKAIK, none of the scoutmasters my brothers had leaned that way. They
    were all dads of boys in the troop, and most were WWII vets.

    8<----- SHIFT ----->8

    Dennis has severe asthma. His twice daily inhaler helps with everyting
    but pollen season. I bought him an air "purifier" as a holiday gift
    two Decembers ago. But he wouldn't even unpack it from its box. His
    son and new D-I-L currently have it. This year I gave him a travel mug
    so he can take his instant coffee with. That he uses. Bv)=

    I have both albuterol and Trelegy--doctor started me on that last
    summer after about 23 years of Advair. Latter was my miracle drug; that and a good pulmonology doctor in Hawaii really got my asthma under control. Last few years tho, I've been having more and more
    problems--bad lungs from years of bronchitis and pneumonia so the
    Trelegy adds a 3rd medication to the 2 that the Advair has and it
    seems to be starting to help.

    I'm doing two puff twice a day of the advair and the albuterol is an
    "if, as and when" rescue inhaler. All down to 45 years of smoking 2
    packs a day unfiltered Camel cigarettes.

    Would that I had never picked up the first one.

    I never even lit up a cigarette to try, the smell of the burning tobacco
    (and chemicals) was enough to turn me off. For a time I was on both an
    inhaled steroid and another, inhaled anti-inflammitory, with the
    albuterol as needed, then the doctor in HI put me on the Advair. It
    helped me big time, until the last couple of years. Nice thing about the Trelegy is that it's a once a day but it tastes nasty--good incentive to remember to rinse my mouth. (G)


    Dennis has a round, fat inhaler he hits twice a day then gargles. I
    can always tell when he's dne his inhaler. Him gargling sounds like
    an Opera singer warming up to warble. Bv)=

    Ever ask him when his debut at the Met is scheduled for?

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Dave Drum@1:396/45 to Ruth Haffly on Tue Jan 14 06:11:30 2025
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    My kitchen is a *ONE* peson (at a time) affair. I have to turn
    slightly sideways to pass between the ice bo and the upright freezer.

    Now that is small! I don't think I've ever had a kitchen that small
    except in the campers.

    When I call it a "Pullman" kitchen people think I'm joking. It's not a joke. In many ways it resembles the dining car galley on a
    ctoss-country rail-car.

    When we did our last Alaska cruise (the one with the rail trip to
    Denali, then a couple of days in Fairbanks), we had lunch on the train.
    We were seated right near the entrance/exit to the kitchen; our seats
    were so that we could see in when people went in/out. I could see basically one counter where it looked like they were assembling the sandwiches. Menu choices were quite limited, mostly soups and
    sandwiches, but the train was a limited run. I understand the old time dining cars on cross country rail trips were quite impressive with what they turned out.

    My first long rail trip - Here to St. Louis thern switch to the Twin Cities Rocket bound for Faribault, MN on the CB&Q/Rock Island. The dining car was
    all linen tablecloths and napkins and stemware. Quite upmarket. And, for my supper I chose Roast Duckling a l'Orange. My mom and the waiter both tried
    to steer me to something else. And I should haver listened. With the rocking
    of the train and the slipperyness of the orange sauce on the duck I would
    up with almost as much on me as in me. Bv)= But it was good. Comiing home
    on the reverse route I had a nice, easy to maneuver Roast Beef Manhattan.

    If one of
    us is in the kitchen doing something and the other needs/wants/desires some item or action either the person in the kitchen has to get it and hand it over - or leave the kitchen so the other can do what needs
    done.

    You didn't realise when you bought the house that a small kitchen was going to be a problem?

    Truthfully, I didn't even think about it. It didn't look obviously as inconvenient with everything except the appliances out and the swing
    down long counter on the inside wall in the raised position. I made a
    very "lowball" bid on the asking price ... mostly because it's on a
    high traffic artery and I was concerned about getiing out onto the
    road from the drive. In practice that has been a non-existent concern.
    But the kitchen more than makes up for it. Bv)=

    We looked at several other houses, was less than impressed with the kitchens. This one has more counter space and drawers than the rental house; we'd bought a "butler" for extra counter space and storage so we took that with us. It takes up a bit of floor space but does give that extra bit of storage. It's also stationed right below our pot rack so
    we don't bump our head--too often. (G)

    My pot hangers (for the wok and paella pan) is over the sink. Nowhere
    else to hang them and the paella pan is to big to fit in any of the
    cabinets. Bv)=

    Shawn and I had a discussion about tiny kitchens so we swappped
    pixture via text messages. He say that I "won". Heck the kitchen
    in my old tin can (mobil home) was larder AND better laid out/more functional than what I now have.

    I've had good sized kitchens and small ones with the various places we lived. The one in Berlin was nice, quite roomy, but it lacked a
    dishwasher (important to me, more so as I get older). The one in
    Savannah was in brand mew housing but not designed for a serious cook. Best part of that one (other than all new appliances) was a counter
    with cabinet space below and above that ran the length of one of the
    short walls, maybe about 6 feet. Other counter space was severely
    limited.

    I've never had a home with a dishwasher other than the two at the ends
    of my arms. If I get my dream place that will change.

    My first house had a kitchen about the same size as this one in square feet. But muich better laid out, Plus it had a pantry about half the
    size of the kitchen with plenty of shelving to stash extra pots
    and/or counter top appliances.

    Layout is important. In Savannah there was a small room right off the kitchen, going to the garage, for the washer and dryer. It had some shelving so we were able to stow extra kitchen stuff there.

    An attached garage is a n ice warehouse for all manner of excess baggage.

    some. But he never ditched (don't know if it wasn't allowed where we stayed) the family camp sites.

    Well the Boy Sprouts is where I learned that trick. I think "Boy's
    Life" (the Boy Scout magazine) had a feature on it. I could be wrong
    as that was about 70 years ago.

    I stopped reading "Boy's Life" when I left home, probably for college.

    I stopped when I quit the scouts. We had a scoutmaster who really set
    off my "gay-dar". I didn't know that's what it was called at that
    stage of my life. But he really made me nervous. Read about him a few years later in the local newspaper after he was attacked and severely thrashed by a scout's father. That set off an investigation and he was "outed". I showed the article to my folks and told them "You always wondered why I quit the scouts? There it is."

    AKAIK, none of the scoutmasters my brothers had leaned that way.
    They were all dads of boys in the troop, and most were WWII vets.

    My friend Laszlo is a scoutmaster - despite having no chirrun of his
    own. Well, now he's sort-of on emeritus status. Another runs the monthly meetings. But Laszlo leads and counsels the boys in gardening, crafts, conservation projects and their winter holidays root beer making and
    bottling.

    8<----- SHIFT ----->8

    Dennis has severe asthma. His twice daily inhaler helps with everyting
    but pollen season. I bought him an air "purifier" as a holiday gift
    two Decembers ago. But he wouldn't even unpack it from its box. His
    son and new D-I-L currently have it. This year I gave him a travel mug
    so he can take his instant coffee with. That he uses. Bv)=

    I have both albuterol and Trelegy--doctor started me on that last
    summer after about 23 years of Advair. Latter was my miracle drug; that and a good pulmonology doctor in Hawaii really got my asthma under control. Last few years tho, I've been having more and more
    problems--bad lungs from years of bronchitis and pneumonia so the
    Trelegy adds a 3rd medication to the 2 that the Advair has and it
    seems to be starting to help.

    I'm doing two puff twice a day of the advair and the albuterol is an
    "if, as and when" rescue inhaler. All down to 45 years of smoking 2
    packs a day unfiltered Camel cigarettes.

    Would that I had never picked up the first one.

    I never even lit up a cigarette to try, the smell of the burning
    tobacco (and chemicals) was enough to turn me off. For a time I was on both an inhaled steroid and another, inhaled anti-inflammitory, with
    the albuterol as needed, then the doctor in HI put me on the Advair. It helped me big time, until the last couple of years. Nice thing about
    the Trelegy is that it's a once a day but it tastes nasty--good
    incentive to remember to rinse my mouth. (G)

    My grandfater smoked a pipe and the tobacco/smoke was quite aromatic.
    Very much more so than cigarettes. Still, I was a hard-head. Couldn't
    tell me anything because I already knew it all.

    Dennis has a round, fat inhaler he hits twice a day then gargles. I
    can always tell when he's dne his inhaler. Him gargling sounds like
    an Opera singer warming up to warble. Bv)=

    Ever ask him when his debut at the Met is scheduled for?

    He wouldn't "get" it. Some days he can be pretty thick. Bv)=

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Homemade Sassafras Root Beer
    Categories: Beverages, Herbs
    Yield: 5 Pints

    Several roots; (including
    - some green stems) from
    - sassafras saplings, about
    - 30-40 inches worth of 1/4"
    - thick roots-enough to fill
    - one cup when you chop them
    - in 1/2" pieces)
    4 c Water
    2 Cloves
    1/2 ts Anise seeds; can sub fennel
    4 Allspice berries
    1 (1") stick cinnamon
    1/4 c Molasses
    1 c Sugar
    2 qt Soda water

    Scrub the roots clean of any dirt. Cut the roots into
    1/2" long pieces. (The roots can be tough, if you have
    a pair of pruning shears, they work great to cut the
    roots.) If you have a few green stems, you can include
    them too, but you should have mostly roots. Cut up as much
    as you need to fill one cup. Put the roots into a small
    pot and cover with 4 cups of water. Add the cloves, anise
    seeds, allspice berries, and cinnamon stick. Bring to a
    boil, reduce to a simmer, and simmer for 25 minutes. Add
    the molasses and simmer for 5 minutes more. Remove from
    heat.

    Strain through cheesecloth or a fine mesh sieve lined with
    a paper towel. Rinse out the pot. Return the liquid to the
    pot. Add the sugar, heat until just a simmer and the sugar
    has dissolved. Remove from the heat and let cool.

    To assemble the root beer, fill a glass with ice cubes,
    add the syrup and soda water in a 1:2 ratio, so 1/3 cup of
    syrup to 2/3 cups of soda water. Add more soda water if
    you want it more diluted, add more syrup if you want it
    stronger.

    Yield: Makes about 2 1/2 quarts.

    From: http://www.simplyrecipes.com

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

    MMMMM

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Tue Jan 14 14:50:52 2025
    Hi Dave,

    When I call it a "Pullman" kitchen people think I'm joking. It's not a joke. In many ways it resembles the dining car galley on a
    ctoss-country rail-car.

    When we did our last Alaska cruise (the one with the rail trip to
    Denali, then a couple of days in Fairbanks), we had lunch on the train.
    We were seated right near the entrance/exit to the kitchen; our seats
    were so that we could see in when people went in/out. I could see basically one counter where it looked like they were assembling the sandwiches. Menu choices were quite limited, mostly soups and
    sandwiches, but the train was a limited run. I understand the old time dining cars on cross country rail trips were quite impressive with what they turned out.

    My first long rail trip - Here to St. Louis thern switch to the Twin Cities Rocket bound for Faribault, MN on the CB&Q/Rock Island. The
    dining car was all linen tablecloths and napkins and stemware. Quite upmarket. And, for my supper I chose Roast Duckling a l'Orange. My mom
    and the waiter both tried to steer me to something else. And I should haver listened. With the rocking of the train and the slipperyness of
    the orange sauce on the duck I would up with almost as much on me as
    in me. Bv)= But it was good. Comiing home on the reverse route I had
    a nice, easy to maneuver Roast Beef Manhattan.

    Chalk it up to a learning experience. Got to have those to help you grow
    up. (G)

    You didn't realise when you bought the house that a small kitchen was going to be a problem?

    Truthfully, I didn't even think about it. It didn't look obviously as inconvenient with everything except the appliances out and the swing
    down long counter on the inside wall in the raised position. I made a
    But the kitchen more than makes up for it. Bv)=

    We looked at several other houses, was less than impressed with the kitchens. This one has more counter space and drawers than the rental house; we'd bought a "butler" for extra counter space and storage so we took that with us. It takes up a bit of floor space but does give that extra bit of storage. It's also stationed right below our pot rack so
    we don't bump our head--too often. (G)

    My pot hangers (for the wok and paella pan) is over the sink. Nowhere
    else to hang them and the paella pan is to big to fit in any of the cabinets. Bv)=

    We've got 3 free standing cabinets with stuff in them too. One is
    basically for appliances that don't get a lot of use, one is zip bags
    and wraps on the top, vitamins, etc in the middle and Tupperware on the
    bottom. The final cabinet is part pantry, part disposable stuff, and a
    good part of what doesn't fit elsewhere or needs to be kept in a central location stuff. Some pots/pans (with no way to hang) are in a cabinet
    but the majority of the cookware is hanging.

    Savannah was in brand mew housing but not designed for a serious cook. Best part of that one (other than all new appliances) was a counter
    with cabinet space below and above that ran the length of one of the
    short walls, maybe about 6 feet. Other counter space was severely
    limited.

    I've never had a home with a dishwasher other than the two at the ends
    of my arms. If I get my dream place that will change.

    First one I had was in the rental in Copperas Cove (bedroom community to
    Fort Hood). Then we moved on post, had one there. Moves to Frankfurt,
    then Berlin, then Fort Devens, MA were all with no dishwasher. Finally,
    moved to Fort Huachuca and have had a dishwasher ever since. When we
    moved up to WF, that was one of the criteria on our list in our search
    for housing. Only one area of seminary housing had dishwashers but we
    decided early on, to live in the community.

    square DD> feet. But muich better laid out, Plus it had a pantry about
    half the DD> size of the kitchen with plenty of shelving to stash
    extra pots DD> and/or counter top appliances.

    Layout is important. In Savannah there was a small room right off the kitchen, going to the garage, for the washer and dryer. It had some shelving so we were able to stow extra kitchen stuff there.

    An attached garage is a n ice warehouse for all manner of excess
    baggage.

    We also had a useable attic and a 2,000 s/f house. Moved to rental house
    up here with no garage or useable attic and only about 1,000 s/f so did
    a major reduction of what we had. Bought this house, again no garage but
    a useable attic and about 1,250 s/f. It also had a small shed that was
    upgraded to a larger one last spring; that's Steve's exclusive space.


    I stopped reading "Boy's Life" when I left home, probably for college.

    I stopped when I quit the scouts. We had a scoutmaster who really set
    off my "gay-dar". I didn't know that's what it was called at that
    stage of my life. But he really made me nervous. Read about him a few years later in the local newspaper after he was attacked and severely thrashed by a scout's father. That set off an investigation and he was "outed". I showed the article to my folks and told them "You always wondered why I quit the scouts? There it is."

    AKAIK, none of the scoutmasters my brothers had leaned that way.
    They were all dads of boys in the troop, and most were WWII vets.

    My friend Laszlo is a scoutmaster - despite having no chirrun of his
    own. Well, now he's sort-of on emeritus status. Another runs the
    monthly meetings. But Laszlo leads and counsels the boys in gardening, crafts,


    CONTINUED IN NEXT MESSAGE <<

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Dave Drum@1:18/200 to Ruth Haffly on Wed Jan 15 21:38:00 2025
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    conservation projects and their winter holidays root beer making and bottling.

    Sounds like he's doing right well. My younger brother was active in scouting until a couple of years ago; he never married or had kids. I think it was when they changed the program to let girls participate
    that he decided to get out; he doesn't like women in charge of
    anything.

    Regular old misogynist, ain't he? I have always believed that gender
    should not be a factor in employment or mlife in general (except for
    family, that is). I've been at the Zone for nearly 20 years and the
    best boss I ever had was a woman. I was so impressed with her that I
    told her one day "If I were 40 years younger and you weren't already
    married .... "Besides being a joy to work for she was a genuinely nice
    person. And drop dead gorgeous, I've stayed in touch and tried a time
    or three to entice her into coming back to AutoZone. But, she's happy
    catching babies in the Labor & Delivery department at a local hospital.

    Root beer making--takes me back years. My folks did it from time to
    time; I think the last time they did it was in 1967. Got harder to find the caps and root beer extract in their small town and they didn't do a lot of shopping in the bigger "cities" then. Usually went a couple
    times a year for non grocery stuff; groceries were all bought local.
    Then too, there was no internet to use to track down obscure stuff.

    8<----- SHIFT ----->8

    I never even lit up a cigarette to try, the smell of the burning
    tobacco (and chemicals) was enough to turn me off. For a time I was on both an inhaled steroid and another, inhaled anti-inflammitory, with
    the albuterol as needed, then the doctor in HI put me on the Advair. It helped me big time, until the last couple of years. Nice thing about
    the Trelegy is that it's a once a day but it tastes nasty--good
    incentive to remember to rinse my mouth. (G)

    My grandfather smoked a pipe and the tobacco/smoke was quite aromatic. Very much more so than cigarettes. Still, I was a hard-head. Couldn't
    tell me anything because I already knew it all.

    Fresh, curing tobacco tobacco smells really good; when we lived in Swansboro (mid 70s to early 80s), NC was still growing a lot of it. We could smell it in the curing barns in late summer. It's when they add stuff to it--went thru Winston-Salem in 1977, whole city stunk like a burnt cigarette--that it stinks so bad. Pipe tobacco isn't usually as
    bad as cigarettes for the smell but given a choice, I'll avoid all of
    the above.

    Me too. When Illinois outlawed smoking in offices and enclosed public
    spaces nearly all of the saloon and restaurant owners had much weeping,
    wailing and gnashing of teeth. But,it opened up new vistas for me as
    there were some pretty decent places I wouls have gone to for meals but
    for the excess smokiness. It all played out in the end.

    Dennis has a round, fat inhaler he hits twice a day then gargles. I
    can always tell when he's dne his inhaler. Him gargling sounds like
    an Opera singer warming up to warble. Bv)=

    Ever ask him when his debut at the Met is scheduled for?

    He wouldn't "get" it. Some days he can be pretty thick. Bv)=

    Sigh!

    Thick can be good sometimes ...

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Double Thick Grilled Pork Chop w/Ginger Plum Bbq Sauce
    Categories: Pork, Bbq, Fruits, Oriental, Chilies
    Yield: 4 Servings

    MMMMM---------------------------SAUCE--------------------------------
    6 Plums; peeled and quartered
    2 oz Ginger
    1 cl Garlic; crushed, chopped
    6 oz Hosin sauce; + more for
    - garnish
    8 oz Light brown sugar
    8 oz Water
    2 oz Soy sauce
    1 Pc star anise; ground
    2 oz Cider vinegar
    2 Scallions

    MMMMM----------------------------MEAT---------------------------------
    Pork loin
    Salt
    1 tb Rice wine vinegar
    1/2 ts Sesame oil
    1/2 ts Chile flakes
    3 oz Bean sprouts
    1/2 lb Carrots; julienned
    1/2 lb Cucumber; julienned
    3 Scallions
    1 ts Salt
    1/2 ts Sugar
    Chinese pancakes

    Preparation of Ginger Plum BBQ Sauce: Simmer plums,
    ginger, 1 clove garlic, Hoisin sauce, brown sugar, 2
    tablespoons water, soy sauce, and star anise, 20 min
    or until plums are loose. Add vinegar and simmer,
    uncovered, stirring constantly until sauce thickens,
    about 10 min. Discard star anise, strain and stir in
    scallions.

    Preparation of Meat: Trim loin into double thick chops,
    marinate in BBQ sauce overnight, and grill to desired
    temperature.

    Preparation of Mu-shu Pancake Filling: In a large bowl,
    combine one large clove clove garlic, 1/4 teaspoon salt,
    3 tablespoons soy sauce, 1 tablespoon rice wine vinegar,
    1/2 teaspoon sesame oil, and 1/2 teaspoon chile flakes
    and whisk to combine. Add 2 ounces bean sprouts, 1/2
    pound carrots, 1/2 pound seeded and julienned English
    cucumber, 2 to 3 scallions cut into narrow ribbons, 1
    teaspoon salt, and 1/2 teaspoon sugar. Combine well and
    let sit for two hours.

    Warm pancakes, spread Hoisin sauce on pancake, fill with
    vegetables and roll.

    Presentation: Place pork loin on a plate. Garnish with
    two filled, rolled, warmed mu-shu pancakes. Garnish with
    fresh cilantro.

    Garnish Option: Make a reduction of duck stock, star
    anise, and plum wine. Reduce to glaze and lightly puddle
    on plate before adding pork chop and mu-shu pancakes.

    John Tesar; Chef du Jour Cooking Show #DJ9424

    MM Format by Dave Drum - 10 December 1999

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

    MMMMM




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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Fri Jan 17 14:02:01 2025
    Hi Dave,

    scouting until a couple of years ago; he never married or had kids. I think it was when they changed the program to let girls participate
    that he decided to get out; he doesn't like women in charge of

    Regular old misogynist, ain't he? I have always believed that gender should not be a factor in employment or mlife in general (except for family, that is). I've been at the Zone for nearly 20 years and the

    Shouldn't, but the old "guys rule" mentality is hard to break.


    best boss I ever had was a woman. I was so impressed with her that I
    told her one day "If I were 40 years younger and you weren't already married .... "Besides being a joy to work for she was a genuinely nice person. And drop dead gorgeous, I've stayed in touch and tried a time
    or three to entice her into coming back to AutoZone. But, she's happy catching babies in the Labor & Delivery department at a local
    hospital.

    She's found her niche. One of my friends down here worked in Labor and
    Delivery for about 10 years, was finally transferred but she missed
    working with new moms/babies. There is something special about seeing a
    new life coming into the world and the new parent's reactions.


    Root beer making--takes me back years. My folks did it from time to
    time; I think the last time they did it was in 1967. Got harder to find the caps and root beer extract in their small town and they didn't do a

    8<----- SHIFT ----->8

    I never even lit up a cigarette to try, the smell of the burning
    tobacco (and chemicals) was enough to turn me off. For a time I was on

    My grandfather smoked a pipe and the tobacco/smoke was quite aromatic. Very much more so than cigarettes. Still, I was a hard-head. Couldn't
    tell me anything because I already knew it all.

    Fresh, curing tobacco tobacco smells really good; when we lived in Swansboro (mid 70s to early 80s), NC was still growing a lot of it. We could smell it in the curing barns in late summer. It's when they add stuff to it--went thru Winston-Salem in 1977, whole city stunk like a burnt cigarette--that it stinks so bad. Pipe tobacco isn't usually as
    bad as cigarettes for the smell but given a choice, I'll avoid all of
    the above.

    Me too. When Illinois outlawed smoking in offices and enclosed public spaces nearly all of the saloon and restaurant owners had much
    weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth. But,it opened up new vistas
    for me as
    there were some pretty decent places I wouls have gone to for meals
    but for the excess smokiness. It all played out in the end.

    Typical reaction it seems. NC didn't outlaw it until shortly after we
    moved up here in 2009. Nice to walk into a restaurant and not have to
    specifly "non smoking, as far away from smoking as possible". Over the
    years we walked out of a number of places that tried seating us really
    close to the smokers.

    Dennis has a round, fat inhaler he hits twice a day then gargles. I
    can always tell when he's dne his inhaler. Him gargling sounds like
    an Opera singer warming up to warble. Bv)=

    Ever ask him when his debut at the Met is scheduled for?

    He wouldn't "get" it. Some days he can be pretty thick. Bv)=

    Sigh!

    Thick can be good sometimes ...


    Title: Double Thick Grilled Pork Chop w/Ginger Plum Bbq Sauce
    Categories: Pork, Bbq, Fruits, Oriental, Chilies
    Yield: 4 Servings

    That does look like a place where thick would be really good.

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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Ruth Haffly on Sun Jan 19 04:59:00 2025
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    scouting until a couple of years ago; he never married or had kids. I think it was when they changed the program to let girls participate
    that he decided to get out; he doesn't like women in charge of

    Regular old misogynist, ain't he? I have always believed that gender should not be a factor in employment or mlife in general (except for family, that is). I've been at the Zone for nearly 20 years and the

    Shouldn't, but the old "guys rule" mentality is hard to break.

    It's both a fact and a mystery. Women are just as smart or smarter can be
    as strong and do handle pain better, But men don't get their bodies all stretched out of shape growing babies internally and they have taken a lot
    of advantage from that.

    best boss I ever had was a woman. I was so impressed with her that I
    told her one day "If I were 40 years younger and you weren't already married .... "Besides being a joy to work for she was a genuinely nice person. And drop dead gorgeous, I've stayed in touch and tried a time
    or three to entice her into coming back to AutoZone. But, she's happy catching babies in the Labor & Delivery department at a local
    hospital.

    She's found her niche. One of my friends down here worked in Labor and Delivery for about 10 years, was finally transferred but she missed working with new moms/babies. There is something special about seeing a new life coming into the world and the new parent's reactions.

    I don't know nabout that first hand. Never raised a child of my own. Did
    raise a girl. Must have done an OK job as I got invited to her wedding and
    her birtg father was told, rather pointedly, to stay away.

    Root beer making--takes me back years. My folks did it from time to
    time; I think the last time they did it was in 1967. Got harder to find the caps and root beer extract in their small town and they didn't do a

    The Boy Sprout root beer is bottled in old wine bottles and corked, noy
    capped. And it has to be refrigerated lest it "blow its cork".

    8<----- SHIFT ----->8

    Me too. When Illinois outlawed smoking in offices and enclosed public spaces nearly all of the saloon and restaurant owners had much
    weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth. But,it opened up new vistas
    for me as there were some pretty decent places I wouls have gone to
    for meals but for the excess smokiness. It all played out in the end.

    Typical reaction it seems. NC didn't outlaw it until shortly after we moved up here in 2009. Nice to walk into a restaurant and not have to specifly "non smoking, as far away from smoking as possible". Over the years we walked out of a number of places that tried seating us really close to the smokers.

    Dennis has a round, fat inhaler he hits twice a day then gargles. I
    can always tell when he's dne his inhaler. Him gargling sounds like
    an Opera singer warming up to warble. Bv)=

    Ever ask him when his debut at the Met is scheduled for?

    He wouldn't "get" it. Some days he can be pretty thick. Bv)=

    Sigh!

    Thick can be good sometimes ...

    Title: Double Thick Grilled Pork Chop w/Ginger Plum Bbq Sauce
    Categories: Pork, Bbq, Fruits, Oriental, Chilies
    Yield: 4 Servings

    That does look like a place where thick would be really good.

    The BBQ sauce is especially good. And enough different from KC/Texas
    or Carolinas sauces to be in a category of its own.

    I really like the fruit-forward BBQ sauces. But I'm reduced to making
    my own as I've never seen them offered for sale around here..

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Barcelona Burger w/Serrano Ham, Manchego & Quince BBQ Sau
    Categories: Beef, Pork, Fruits, Chilies, Cheese
    Yield: 6 Servings

    MMMMM----------------------QUINCE BBQ SAUCE---------------------------
    1/2 c Water
    8 1/2 oz (240g) jar quince paste
    1/2 ts Red pepper flakes
    1/3 c Sherry vinegar
    1/2 c Ketchup

    MMMMM------------------------OLIVE SALAD-----------------------------
    7 oz (200g) jar Manzanilla green
    - pimento stuffed olives;
    - drained, coarse chopped
    1/2 c Celery; diced
    1/4 c Red onion; diced
    1 cl Garlic; minced
    2 tb Taroni Estate olive oil

    MMMMM--------------------------BURGERS-------------------------------
    2 lb Ground chuck (80/20)
    2 ts Coarse salt
    1 ts Fresh ground black pepper
    Oil for grill rack
    6 sl (thin) Jamon Serrano
    6 Round French bread-style
    - rolls; split (buns)
    1/3 lb (151g)Manchego Curado cheese
    - shaved in thin strips

    Preheat grill for high heat cooking.

    In a small saucepan, positioned over high heat grill,
    combine the water, quince paste and red pepper flakes.
    Break up the quince paste with a spoon or whisk until
    mixture is smooth. Add the sherry vinegar and ketchup.
    Bring the mixture to a boil, stirring constantly for 1-2
    minutes. Remove from heat and reserve.

    In a small mixing bowl, combine the olives, celery, red
    onion, garlic and olive oil. Mix thoroughly and reserve.

    In a large mixing bowl, lightly combine the ground chuck,
    salt and pepper. Form ground chuck mixture into 6 patties.

    Lightly oil the grill rack. Arrange the patties over high
    grill heat and cook until desired doneness, about 4-6
    minutes per side.

    Arrange 1 slice of ham over each burger.

    Arrange buns on grill rack and toast lightly.

    ASSEMBLY: Spread a thick layer of the quince sauce on the
    toasted side of each roll. Top each bottom with a grilled
    burger. Arrange shaved Manchego over the ham on the burger
    and top with a generous spoonful of olive salad. Add top
    of roll.

    Serve immediately.

    RECIPE FROM: http://www.hotpaella.com

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Sun Jan 19 20:43:45 2025
    Hi Dave,


    Shouldn't, but the old "guys rule" mentality is hard to break.

    It's both a fact and a mystery. Women are just as smart or smarter can
    be as strong and do handle pain better, But men don't get their bodies
    all stretched out of shape growing babies internally and they have
    taken a lot of advantage from that.

    But some guys will never "get it".

    best boss I ever had was a woman. I was so impressed with her that I
    told her one day "If I were 40 years younger and you weren't already married .... "Besides being a joy to work for she was a genuinely nice person. And drop dead gorgeous, I've stayed in touch and tried a time
    or three to entice her into coming back to AutoZone. But, she's happy catching babies in the Labor & Delivery department at a local
    hospital.

    She's found her niche. One of my friends down here worked in Labor and Delivery for about 10 years, was finally transferred but she missed working with new moms/babies. There is something special about seeing a new life coming into the world and the new parent's reactions.

    I don't know nabout that first hand. Never raised a child of my own.
    Did raise a girl. Must have done an OK job as I got invited to her
    wedding and her birtg father was told, rather pointedly, to stay away.

    You don't have to have been the biological parent to be a good/great
    parent.


    Root beer making--takes me back years. My folks did it from time to
    time; I think the last time they did it was in 1967. Got harder to find the caps and root beer extract in their small town and they didn't do a

    The Boy Sprout root beer is bottled in old wine bottles and corked,
    noy capped. And it has to be refrigerated lest it "blow its cork".

    We kept itt in the unheaed or cooled cellar, only bringing up bottles to
    be used with a meal. I can recall a few blow outs, but not many. I think
    part of it was that my folks usually made root beer in the winter.


    8<----- SHIFT ----->8

    Me too. When Illinois outlawed smoking in offices and enclosed public spaces nearly all of the saloon and restaurant owners had much
    weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth. But,it opened up new vistas
    for me as there were some pretty decent places I wouls have gone to
    for meals but for the excess smokiness. It all played out in the end.

    Typical reaction it seems. NC didn't outlaw it until shortly after we moved up here in 2009. Nice to walk into a restaurant and not have to specifly "non smoking, as far away from smoking as possible". Over the years we walked out of a number of places that tried seating us really close to the smokers.

    Dennis has a round, fat inhaler he hits twice a day then gargles. I
    can always tell when he's dne his inhaler. Him gargling sounds like
    an Opera singer warming up to warble. Bv)=

    Ever ask him when his debut at the Met is scheduled for?

    He wouldn't "get" it. Some days he can be pretty thick. Bv)=

    Sigh!

    Thick can be good sometimes ...

    Title: Double Thick Grilled Pork Chop w/Ginger Plum Bbq Sauce
    Categories: Pork, Bbq, Fruits, Oriental, Chilies
    Yield: 4 Servings

    That does look like a place where thick would be really good.

    The BBQ sauce is especially good. And enough different from KC/Texas
    or Carolinas sauces to be in a category of its own.

    I really like the fruit-forward BBQ sauces. But I'm reduced to making
    my own as I've never seen them offered for sale around here..

    So make what you like and leave the other sauces to the folks that like
    them. For the most part, I don't do any sauce on my meat but eastern NC
    style pulled pork usually gets a bit more of the vinegar "mop" added to
    my serving.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Ruth Haffly on Tue Jan 21 05:37:00 2025
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    Shouldn't, but the old "guys rule" mentality is hard to break.

    It's both a fact and a mystery. Women are just as smart or smarter can
    be as strong and do handle pain better, But men don't get their bodies
    all stretched out of shape growing babies internally and they have
    taken a lot of advantage from that.

    But some guys will never "get it".

    Ya think???

    8----- JUMP ----->8

    I don't know about that first hand. Never raised a child of my own.
    Did raise a girl. Must have done an OK job as I got invited to her
    wedding and her birtg father was told, rather pointedly, to stay away.

    You don't have to have been the biological parent to be a good/great parent.

    Guess not. It's pretty much a matter of not being selfish and sharing
    your life with the child.

    Root beer making--takes me back years. My folks did it from time to
    time; I think the last time they did it was in 1967. Got harder to find the caps and root beer extract in their small town and they didn't do a

    The Boy Sprout root beer is bottled in old wine bottles and corked,
    noy capped. And it has to be refrigerated lest it "blow its cork".

    We kept itt in the unheaed or cooled cellar, only bringing up bottles
    to be used with a meal. I can recall a few blow outs, but not many. I think part of it was that my folks usually made root beer in the
    winter.

    Did your folks use caps or corks? When I messed about with brewing my
    own beer I used a capping tool and never had a problem. Some of my friends/acquaintances who used their own method of capping had the
    occasional "blow its cork" episode. Especially during the dog days of
    summer.

    8<----- SHIFT ----->8

    The BBQ sauce is especially good. And enough different from KC/Texas
    or Carolinas sauces to be in a category of its own.

    I really like the fruit-forward BBQ sauces. But I'm reduced to making
    my own as I've never seen them offered for sale around here..

    So make what you like and leave the other sauces to the folks that like them. For the most part, I don't do any sauce on my meat but eastern NC style pulled pork usually gets a bit more of the vinegar "mop" added to
    my serving.

    I don't generally care for my meat swimming in sauce. And if I'm doing BBQ
    at home on my grill I usually wind up with the "mop" sauce caramelised on
    the meat. Which is sort of my defense against "too sweet" BBQ sauces.

    This is very close to Popeye's "Blazin' Heifer" sauce. Benson "Popeye"
    Jones was Springfield's best, most popular BBQ joint owner/pitmaster.

    The Blazon Heifer was a dipping sauce rather than a mop.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Red's Backwoods Bbq Sauce
    Categories: Sauces, Bbq, Chilies, Herbs
    Yield: 5 Quarts

    5 1/3 c Catsup
    1 qt Molasses
    1 1/3 c Coffee; brewed
    1 1/3 c Cider vinegar
    3 Dried chipotles; chop fine
    3 Jalapenos; chop fine
    10 Habanero or Scotch Bonnets;
    - chop fine (to taste)
    4 tb Dijon Mustard
    1 1/2 ts Salt
    1 tb Black Pepper
    1 tb Dried Thyme
    2 ts Cumin

    Mix well in large pot; run through a blender in batches to
    thoroughtly blend. Label the sauce with date, and store in
    quart jugs.

    Makes 1 1/3 gallons sauce.

    Recipe By: P.B. Post--07/03/97

    From: http://www.recipesource.com

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Tue Jan 21 12:38:02 2025
    Hi Dave,


    Shouldn't, but the old "guys rule" mentality is hard to break.

    It's both a fact and a mystery. Women are just as smart or smarter can
    be as strong and do handle pain better, But men don't get their bodies
    all stretched out of shape growing babies internally and they have
    taken a lot of advantage from that.

    But some guys will never "get it".

    Ya think???

    Don't think, know.


    8----- JUMP ----->8

    I don't know about that first hand. Never raised a child of my own.
    Did raise a girl. Must have done an OK job as I got invited to her
    wedding and her birtg father was told, rather pointedly, to stay away.

    You don't have to have been the biological parent to be a good/great parent.

    Guess not. It's pretty much a matter of not being selfish and sharing
    your life with the child.

    With all the ups and downs that go with it. We've got 2 grand kids
    graduating 8th grade this year. Time was, they would end their schooling
    there and go to work. Now they're both going to high school and (maybe)
    college or a tech school. We'll be there to share the occasion with
    them.

    The Boy Sprout root beer is bottled in old wine bottles and corked,
    noy capped. And it has to be refrigerated lest it "blow its cork".

    We kept it in the unheaed or cooled cellar, only bringing up bottles
    to be used with a meal. I can recall a few blow outs, but not many. I think part of it was that my folks usually made root beer in the
    winter.

    Did your folks use caps or corks? When I messed about with brewing my
    own beer I used a capping tool and never had a problem. Some of my friends/acquaintances who used their own method of capping had the occasional "blow its cork" episode. Especially during the dog days of summer.

    My parents had a capping tool. Put the cap on the bottle and lower the
    tool around the cap, sealing it. Tool was sort of like a drill
    press--pull a lever to lower the mechanism that crimped/sealed the cap.

    8<----- SHIFT ----->8


    So make what you like and leave the other sauces to the folks that like them. For the most part, I don't do any sauce on my meat but eastern NC style pulled pork usually gets a bit more of the vinegar "mop" added to
    my serving.

    I don't generally care for my meat swimming in sauce. And if I'm doing
    BBQ at home on my grill I usually wind up with the "mop" sauce
    caramelised on the meat. Which is sort of my defense against "too
    sweet" BBQ sauces.

    This is very close to Popeye's "Blazin' Heifer" sauce. Benson "Popeye" Jones was Springfield's best, most popular BBQ joint owner/pitmaster.

    The Blazon Heifer was a dipping sauce rather than a mop.


    Title: Red's Backwoods Bbq Sauce
    Categories: Sauces, Bbq, Chilies, Herbs
    Yield: 5 Quarts

    It looks a bit "warm" for me but Steve might enjoy it. He usually sauces
    his bbq, both beef and pork.


    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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