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Another facet of parenting being taken over by government and tech.

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Government overreach, and a solution looking for a problem.

I 100% agree. Part of the issue that I see is that parents are not
carrying their weight when it comes to this particular issue. Maybe they
don't know how or can't.

I don't think the government should be reaching into this... they should be encouraging parents to get more involved (and maybe holding them accountable)... but I do think there is a problem.

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Re: Re: Apple rolls out age v
By: Mike Powell to RUG RAT on Sun Mar 29 2026 10:18 am

Another facet of parenting being
taken over by government and tech.

[...snip...]

Government overreach, and a soluti
looking for a problem.

I 100% agree. Part of the issue tha
see is that parents are not
carrying their weight when it comes
this particular issue. Maybe they
don't know how or can't.

I don't think the government should
reaching into this... they should be
encouraging parents to get more
involved (and maybe holding them
accountable)... but I do think there
a problem.

I think the good version of
government's role in this would be
government sponsored classes for
parents combined with some incentive to
get them to take said course, or
providing it for free in some obvious
public way. But of course, they'd
rather capture more public data and
entrench the police state. Same as it
ever was.




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I don't think the government should reaching into this... they should be
encouraging parents to get more involved (and maybe holding them
accountable)... but I do think there a problem.

I think the good version of government's role in this would be government sponsored classes for parents combined with some incentive to get them to take
said course, or providing it for free in some obvious public way. But of course, they'd rather capture more public data and entrench the police state. Same as it ever was.

I think parents in earlier times... like the parents who blamed their kids,
and not the school, when their kid misbehaved and got in trouble in
school... might be more likely to be interested in such assistance.

These days, I doubt you will get much participation in any such class for a multitude of reasons.

I agree that, yes, the government would rather Big Brother it than anything else.


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I think parents in earlier times... like the parents who blamed their

>kids, and not the school, when their kid misbehaved and got in trouble
>in school... might be more likely to be interested in such assistance.

Did parents ever do that? Usually nothing is the kid's fault..
(Except when they are at home..) B)

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Re: Re: Apple rolls out age v
By: Mike Powell to MAX STUBBS on Mon Mar 30 2026 02:30 pm

I think parents in earlier times...
like the parents who blamed their ki
and not the school, when their kid
misbehaved and got in trouble in
school... might be more likely to be
interested in such assistance.

These days, I doubt you will get muc
participation in any such class for
multitude of reasons.

Eh, I've never been big on the whole
"this new generation (insert
criticism)" to be honest, every
generation of people does that and I
think it tends to be wrong. I think
people would go, but you just have to
make it easy for them to do it. People
have busy live and only so much free
time in a day.

But yeah, its a moot point, not gonna
happen anyway.


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I think parents in earlier times... like the parents who blamed their

>kids, and not the school, when their kid misbehaved and got in trouble
>in school... might be more likely to be interested in such assistance.

Did parents ever do that? Usually nothing is the kid's fault..
(Except when they are at home..) B)

My parents used to, unless they really, really thought it wasn't my fault. IIRC, a few of the real troublemakers may have had "not ever my kid's
fault" parents but most of my friends' parents still knew about discipline.

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These days, I doubt you will get muc participation in any such class for multitude of reasons.

Eh, I've never been big on the whole "this new generation (insert criticism)" to be honest, every generation of people does that and I think it tends to be wrong. I think people would go, but you just have to make it easy for them to do it. People have busy live and only so much free time in a day.

But yeah, its a moot point, not gonna happen anyway.

I am not always big on it, either, but it does seem like there are more
parents today (I am related to at least one) who are quick to blame the teachers when it is their kid causing the problem.

Or maybe I just think there are more today because my parents, and most of
my friends' parents, were not like that. There had to be some very
convincing evidence before they'd take our side over a teacher's.


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Eh, I've never been big on the whole

>"this new generation (insert
>criticism)" to be honest, every
>generation of people does that and I
>think it tends to be wrong. I think
>people would go, but you just have to
>make it easy for them to do it. People
>have busy live and only so much free
>time in a day.

I think there have been a lot of changes to family dynamics over
the past 70 years or so which effects a lot of things.

We went from just one parent working with usually mom at home
full time with the kids or waiting for the kids to get home to
a point where most families can't afford to eat without both
parents working full time.

We came into a time when the kids knew electronic devices inside-out
with the parents having no idea about them, which we are maybe now
getting past for the most part..

And another thing is we've gone from tiny allowances so the kid
can buy a little candy or something to kids being given a large
amounts of money to do with what they like, probably out of guilt
due to parents having little time for the kids..

Obviously not all families are in the same situations but this
is what I've seen a lot of watching family in my life..

All that said, somewhat slightly off topic, parents having less
to do with their kids most of the time would have to decide
who to believe in a case like that since they maybe don't know
their kids as well as previous generations might have.

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I think parents in earlier times... like the parents who blamed their

>kids, and not the school, when their kid misbehaved and got in trouble
>in school...

Did parents ever do that? Usually nothing is the kid's fault..

>> (Except when they are at home..) B)

My parents used to, unless they really, really thought it wasn't my fault.

>IIRC, a few of the real troublemakers may have had "not ever my kid's
>fault" parents but most of my friends' parents still knew about discipline.

Ha, I remember when I was in grade school out in the country there
was a big old elm tree and if kids got in trouble they got to spend
recess and any spare lunch time standing out alone under the tree..

I spent a fair amount of time out there for a while, probably
for things like joking around and talking during class. B)

Many years later I found out that that finally stopped because
my parents phoned the school and complained about it.

Thinking back, I spent most of my youth not paying attention
in class. By highschool I would be busy doing my homework from
the previous class. I at least wasn't annoying others around me
but for some reason most teachers seemed to take offence if you
didn't pay any attention to them, regardless of your marks..

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Rob Mccart wrote to MAX STUBBS <=-

We went from just one parent working with usually mom at home
full time with the kids or waiting for the kids to get home to
a point where most families can't afford to eat without both
parents working full time.

We had to make some hard decisions when we had our first child over
childcare. It almost made more sense for my wife to stay home instead
of paying most of her salary for childcare. We chose to work, which
paid off handsomely down the road, but it was a serious choice.

And another thing is we've gone from tiny allowances so the kid
can buy a little candy or something to kids being given a large
amounts of money to do with what they like, probably out of guilt
due to parents having little time for the kids..

Look at inflation, the cost of living, and the way kids have been
marketed to. My daughter's favorite go-to is hanging out with friends
at a Starbucks, not riding bikes to friends' houses or hanging out at a
park. And, that candy that was $.35 is now $2.49.

We were different kids, though. For us, it was all about building a
sense of independence - I could ride my bike wherever I want to go,
don't need to ask my parents for much, and head home when it started to
get dark. (My family had a locked-in dinnertime of 7pm)



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Ha, I remember when I was in grade school out in the country there
was a big old elm tree and if kids got in trouble they got to spend
recess and any spare lunch time standing out alone under the tree..

We had something similar... IIRC when we were really young, 1-4th grade, we usually played not far outside the outside door of the classroom. I think
if we misbehaved, we had to go stand and face the wall by the door.

The tree might have been more interesting. ;)

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We went from just one parent working with usually mom at home
full time with the kids or waiting for the kids to get home to
a point where most families can't afford to eat without both
parents working full time.

We had to make some hard decisions when we had our first child over

> childcare. It almost made more sense for my wife to stay home instead
> of paying most of her salary for childcare. We chose to work, which
> paid off handsomely down the road, but it was a serious choice.

Yes, you can never know which choice will be best in the long run.
My mother was home for much of my childhood but later my father
started up a business and for the first couple of years she was
running the office for him while he was out on the road until he
was successful enough to hire other people.

That said.. It was decided Long before that that my mother wouldn't
get up to make breakfast and such before we left for school.
Dad said that she wasn't a good morning person and we were just
as well off lookimg after ourselves.. B)

And another thing is we've gone from tiny allowances so the kid
can buy a little candy or something to kids being given a large
amounts of money to do with what they like, probably out of guilt
due to parents having little time for the kids..

Look at inflation, the cost of living, and the way kids have been

> marketed to. My daughter's favorite go-to is hanging out with friends
> at a Starbucks, not riding bikes to friends' houses or hanging out at a
> park. And, that candy that was $.35 is now $2.49.

I was thinking back to when I was about 12 years old and I agreed
to cut almost an acre of grass at home with a push gas lawn mower
to get my allowance up from 25 cents a week to a 75 cents..
Then I watched my niece not having an allowance but able to casually
ask for $20 or $30 to buy something she liked and almost always
getting it unless it was really not a good idea.

We were taught so young about handling money it was a bit of a
shock when we found out the niece at age 10 or so had no idea
about limits on money at all. She figured you could buy anything
you wanted, you just went to the magic machine to get more money
out if you ran short..

Also, when my mother was still around, she found it almost
impossible to find a kid to mow her lawn for her, and she
was quite willing to pay $50 an hour or more for their time
and it was impossible to find a kid willing to work.

We were different kids, though. For us, it was all about building a

> sense of independence - I could ride my bike wherever I want to go,
> don't need to ask my parents for much, and head home when it started
>to get dark. (My family had a locked-in dinnertime of 7pm)

Yes, between age 9 and 17 our house was out in the country and
it was miles to a friend's houses, but we'd ride our bikes there
without thinking about it. I remember once biking to a friend's
place 7 miles away, then home for lunch, and then back again
for the afternoon without thinking much about it, and once
riding 15 miles to a town fair..

I definitely wanted to get my own transportation though once
I was old enough to drive. I bought my first motorcycle two
months before my 16th birthday, and I had my licence within
2 weeks of that birthday.

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Ha, I remember when I was in grade school out in the country there

>> was a big old elm tree and if kids got in trouble they got to spend
>> recess and any spare lunch time standing out alone under the tree..

We had something similar... IIRC when we were really young, 1-4th grade, we

>usually played not far outside the outside door of the classroom. I think
>if we misbehaved, we had to go stand and face the wall by the door.

The tree might have been more interesting. ;)

This was a country school and was on a couple of acres so there
was lots of room to play out behind the school. The tree was
out front right at the road and you were totally alone there.
That was how my father found out I was being put there, when
he drove home one time past the school and saw me out there.

BTW.. when he phoned the school to complain about that, he
didn't suggest not punishing me for breaking the rules.
He just said that if I did something wrong, rather than
punishing me for hours over several days, they should just
give me the strap and get it over with.

Thinking back, all the years I was at that school (6) I only
knew of one person who got the strap, and that was a girl
about 12 or 13 years old. I never heard the exact details but
I heard it had something to do with sex..

Hopefully not with a teacher.. B)

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Rob Mccart wrote to KURT WEISKE <=-

We were taught so young about handling money it was a bit of a
shock when we found out the niece at age 10 or so had no idea
about limits on money at all. She figured you could buy anything
you wanted, you just went to the magic machine to get more money
out if you ran short..

My daughter can be conscientious around money, especially as she's
starting to drive. Then, she'll come up with a "gem" like "Apple Pay
isn't like real money..."


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Re: Re: Apple rolls out age v
By: Mike Powell to MAX STUBBS on Wed Apr 01 2026 12:52 pm

Or maybe I just think there are more
today because my parents, and most o
my friends' parents, were not like
that. There had to be some very
convincing evidence before they'd ta
our side over a teacher's.

I think this is still the norm. I think
we tend to hear about the bad parents
online and in the news more often than
the people who are acting normally and
never make it into there. My two cents.


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Re: Re: Apple rolls out age v
By: Kurt Weiske to Rob Mccart on Fri Apr 03 2026 08:35 am

Look at inflation, the cost of livi
and the way kids have been
marketed to. My daughter's favorite
go-to is hanging out with friends
at a Starbucks, not riding bikes to
friends' houses or hanging out at a
park. And, that candy that was $.35
now $2.49.

We were different kids, though. For
us, it was all about building a
sense of independence - I could rid
my bike wherever I want to go,
don't need to ask my parents for mu
and head home when it started to
get dark. (My family had a locked-i
dinnertime of 7pm)

Well kids are pretty much priced out of
society now. For example, look at th
cost just to go to a movie at your
local movie theater. Not even to get
the concessions. Just the tickets. If
you live in a rural place you can still
get a semblance of that old traditional
American upbringing, but I think it's
just about dead everywhere else. I'm a
millenial, I was at least still able to
be able to ride my bike a few mile away
to the mall, watch a movie and be
independent with money I got helping
out friend's familie and every once in
a blue moon going to my buddy's house
toward the edge town that had horses
and such, and helpin there for odd
money. Shitty fast food job BARELY
covered that as well. But that was back
in 2005-2007. Nothing has been the same
since the ol' recession. And even then
it was already going away. It's little
wonder parents just make the one time
phone investment to "keep track of my
kids" and then the kids ultimately have
fuck all they can really do outside of
that once they are older than 7.





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We were taught so young about handling money it was a bit of a
shock when we found out the niece at age 10 or so had no idea
about limits on money at all. She figured you could buy anything
you wanted, you just went to the magic machine to get more money
out if you ran short..

My daughter can be conscientious around money, especially as she's

> starting to drive. Then, she'll come up with a "gem" like "Apple Pay
> isn't like real money..."

Ha.. I'm sure she is far from the only person with that 'problem'..

For many decades I only used cash for shopping because you see what
you are laying out, although in recent years, mainly since Covid,
I've taken to using cards because it's more convenient. They do go
out of their way to make it more convenient all the time..

Fortunately my spending is well controlled after all this time..

(?) I suppose time has nothing to do with it. I know a few people
my age that never got a handle on thier spending..

Funny (?) story.. There was a couple in this area who quite a few
years back won $1 million in a lottery.. They bought an island
and were building a nice cottage, bought 2 new cars.. etc.. etc..
and after about 2 years they were on the verge of bankruptcy.
That much money can make a lot of down payments apparently..

Now the 'funny' part.. Just before they went under they won
another lottery that got them out of trouble.. ($250k I think)

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Or maybe I just think there are more today because my parents, and most o my >> friends' parents, were not like that. There had to be some very convincing >> evidence before they'd ta our side over a teacher's.

I think this is still the norm. I think we tend to hear about the bad parents online and in the news more often than the people who are acting normally and never make it into there. My two cents.

Could be, especially considering that we didn't have social media to hear
about the bad ones as much back then.

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