Tony,
Sure, I won't know if I'm right or wrong until I die, but that doesn' matter to me. While I'm here, being the best person I can be is what matters.
And, one day, we will know who is right.
The one thing God requires is "to believe on The One He Has Sent".
But, while some may see any form of Christianity as "cramming a Bible down their throat", the simple fact of the matter is that God gives all mankind a free will choice to accept or reject Him.
Also, Christians are commanded to "love and pray for our enemies". Most other faiths want non-believers dead.
Most other faiths want non-believers dead.
That doesn't mean that they do that. Hitler was a Catholic, yet he did not love and pray for his enemies, did he?
Re: PPL These Days
By: Gryphon to Daryl Stout on Mon Jul 11 2016 08:32 am
Most other faiths want non-believers dead.
That doesn't mean that they do that. Hitler was a Catholic, yet he did love and pray for his enemies, did he?
how do you know he didnt?
The one thing God requires is "to believe on The One He Has Sent".
Why should anybody believe that?
Does free will really exist? Can you prove it? Can you chose to
believ in islam, right here and right now? You *are* free to choose, right?
Also, Christians are commanded to "love and pray for our enemies". Most other faiths want non-believers dead.
That doesn't mean that they do that. Hitler was a Catholic, yet he did not love and pray for his enemies, did he?
The one thing God requires is "to believe on The One He Has Sent".
Why should anybody believe that?
If you choose not to believe it, that is your CHOICE.
Does free will really exist? Can you prove it? Can you chose to believ in islam, right here and right now? You *are* free to choose, right?
We make the decisions in life that are solely our responsibility. Whether t's
in regards to religion, where we live, what we do for a living, etc., we have to live with the outcomes.
If free will didn't exist, all of us would be "robots", doing the same thing. God didn't want robots, so He gave us the choice to accept Him or reject Him.
Also, Christians are commanded to "love and pray for our enemies". other faiths want non-believers dead.
That doesn't mean that they do that. Hitler was a Catholic, yet he d not love and pray for his enemies, did he?
Just because one is saved doesn't mean they lose that "sin nature". The believers won't lose that until either death, or the Rapture of The Church.
Re: PPL These Days
By: Gryphon to Daryl Stout on Tue Jul 12 2016 04:21 pm
Dude. I can see you are deep in your cups with your delusions.
Just remember, I don't believe your stories, and I vote.
hey you dont have to be mean to someone just because they dont share the same beliefs.
religious sub is THAT way BTW ===>
So I'll ask it again. Of all the choices for belief, why should
anybody believe as you do?
First off, you now are claiming to know the mind of god and what it
wants. You have no idea if it wants robot worshipers or not. That is
your personal addition to the narrative.
By choosing to not accept it, you are actually choosing to NOT be a
robot.
So that's the morality that the bible teaches us. That you don't have
to be responsible for your own actions. You can do what ever feels
good and just ask for forgiveness, then go off and do what ever feels
good some more. What's to keep you from raping and murdering and
coveting and cheating your fellows? Nothing! You've been forgiven! I believe thats what the indulgences were all about, right?
Yeah, tell that to Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin, and all the priests that molested all those boys, etc.
If you are going to be lackadaisical about your beliefs, then thats u
If I didn't care about my fellow man or woman, and their eternal destiny, I wouldn't say a word about it. Then, they'd be merrily going
on their way to Hell and the Lake Of Fire saying "What problem??". What person would want eternal torment and pain forever when they die??
Someone cared about my eternal soul and destiny to tell me that I was headed for Hell, but that I didn't have to go there.
The Saducees of Jesus' day didn't believe in life after death (once you are dead, that's it). But, you aren't willing to consider the possibility that you might be wrong.
Who decides what we really deserve? By what yardstick is it measured Who's standards. People are chopping off heads and blowing themselve up because they think that by doing that, they will deserve a place i heaven for their deeds.
God Almighty, the Creator of the Universe. His Standard is PERFECTION, without one sin in thought, word, or deed, and NO ONE CAN PAY.
I *dont* care if you pray to Allah or Kali or Odin. I really don't. That's not the problem. You know what the problem is. I don't want your misguided beliefs to spill over on to my life by way of legalization of discrimination.
You are free to reject this, if you so desire. I've said more than enough as a witness to The Power Of God in this echo, and it's clear
that you are not receptive to it. God made The Rules...if you don't like it, take it up with Him.
Dude. I can see you are deep in your cups with your delusions.
Just remember, I don't believe your stories, and I vote.
Fine with me. This life is temporary, like a vapor, and one day,
it will be gone.
If you no longer wish to discuss these topics, then that is fine
with me. But, remember, it all started with the subject of "what
is wrong with people??".
Interpretations of that have caused untold hurt. Many Christians can tell between nature, behaviour, choice, and their own fears. And I would argue that the real sin here is giving into the latter.
There are so many translations out there that it's pathetic. The King
James (Authorized Version) 1611 version's language is in the time of
And what sin was that? (the answer is in the Bible, and it's not the so-called "sin" that many attribute to Sodom and Gomorrah).
If you must know, that sin was homosexuality. The men of Sodom wanted
to anally rape the angels. Lot offered the men of Sodom his two virgin daughters, but they rejected his offer. When they came after Lot, only
the prompt intervention by the angels, who pulled Lot inside, and blinded the rioters, saved his life. In Leviticus it notes that "one shall not
lie with a man as with a woman, it is an abomination". Again, God made
The Rules.
But in that book, this does NOT give Christians or anyone else the right to force values on everyone. Muslims in some country are equal guilty of this, in a more overt way. In fact, it gives room for more civil disobedience to break those unjust laws and make a point to the government.
While the world believes Christians are trying to "force" their beliefs on others, the truth is that Christians are commanded to "preach the Gospel to every creature". Everyone has the CHOICE to accept or reject
it.
You are an unbeliever too. Just remember that.
To the world (and to you), I am an unbeliever. But, to the Creator of the Universe, it's a much different story. I admitted before a Holy Righteous God, that when I realized:
1) I was a sinner on my way to Hell, and eternal torment in The Lake Of Fire, but I didn't have to go there.
2) I could not save myself, or do anything on my own to get to Heaven.
3) My righteousness was as filthy rags (literally bloody menstrual cloths).
4) Jesus Christ is the only way to Heaven, and Salvation was a FREE GIFT,
which could not be earned or bought.
5) He lived the life I could not, dying in my place on an old Rugged Cross.
6) He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures.
7) He is coming back to rule and reign, and to destroy His enemies.
8) He would forgive me of every sin I had ever done or will do, if I just
believe on Him.
9) Gratefully accepting His Free Love Gift made me worthy to go to
Heaven.
I know exactly the day, hour, and location, where I asked Christ to
come into my life and save me. To Almighty God, that makes me a
believer, and worthy of Heaven. But, it is Christ's Righteousness and
NOT my own, that makes me acceptable to God. I have the faith that if today was my last day on Earth, that the moment my heart stops...or if
the Rapture of The Church were to occur today...that I would instantly
be in Heaven.
I would rather be hated by the world and its people, and accepted by God; than to be loved by the world and its people, and to be judged and damned by God to eternal torment. I may be a fool in the eyes of the
world and you, but I am a fool for Christ.
Why take it up with something that can't be shown to exist, for something that YOU claim to be true?
I have seen so much evidence of Him working in my puny life, that it trumps your assertion that God doesn't exist. If God doesn't exist, WHY are you complaining so vociferously?? And, why are you concerned that I pray to Him??
God tells the believer that "If you don't warn the wicked of their sin, and they die in their sin, their blood I will require at your hand. But, if you warn them, and they die in their sin, their blood is off of your hands". In short, the "witness" that I've done here, means that the blood of all those in this echo is off my hands.
Hebrews 9:27 notes that "It is appointed for all to die, and after
this, the judgment". Everyone who has ever lived is going to go at death either to Heaven (with eternal peace and joy), or to Hell (with eternal torment and pain). Jesus Christ is the most important person anyone will ever meet. What you do with Him determines whether you go to Heaven or
to Hell. And, everyone will bow to Jesus Christ...eagerly in this life,
or compelled to do so on Judgment Day by the Truth of God's Word.
One day, we'll know who is right (the Christians or the non-Christians)... that fact can NOT be denied!!
And, if those who refuse to believe in God and believe on His Son are wrong, they will regret it forever. They won't be able to say on
Judgment Day that they were not warned...because everyone gets at least one chance to hear the Gospel.
The Scripture verses what I used are what God has said. If that's not good enough for you, then I'm not going to pursue the topic any further.
So I'll ask it again. Of all the choices for belief, why should anybody believe as you do?
I'll turn it around...why should anybody believe as you do??
First off, you now are claiming to know the mind of god and what it wants. You have no idea if it wants robot worshipers or not. That is your personal addition to the narrative.
I do NOT know the mind of God. All I know of Him is what is clearly stated in His Word. And, I've seen more of Him working in my puny life, that it trumps your statements that "God doesn't exist".
By choosing to not accept it, you are actually choosing to NOT be a robot.
No, if God wanted everyone to accept Him, everyone would have been made a robot. By giving us the FREE WILL of CHOICE, we can decide whether we want to accept Him or reject Him. He gave our first parents, Adam and
Eve, everything they could every want or need, in the Garden Of Eden...along with ONE SIMPLE RULE...ONE SIMPLE PROHIBITION. They only broke it once.
So that's the morality that the bible teaches us. That you don't hav to be responsible for your own actions. You can do what ever feels good and just ask for forgiveness, then go off and do what ever feels good some more. What's to keep you from raping and murdering and coveting and cheating your fellows? Nothing! You've been forgiven! believe thats what the indulgences were all about, right?
WRONG!! The Bible said that "If anyone is in Christ, they are a new creature. Old things are passed away, and all things are become new".
Continuous, unbroken tolerance of sinful behavior should lead someone
to question whether or not they have been reborn spiritually. Jesus
Christ told one of the Pharisees that "unless a man has been born again, they can not see the Kingdom Of God".
Saying that you can sin, confess, get forgiven, and keep doing the evil behavior in a never ending cycle, is making a mockery of The Blood Of Jesus Christ. You are trampling it underfoot as something worthless.
Satan has deceived the majority of mankind into believing that:
1) He doesn't exist.
2) You can do whatever you want, good or evil...even if it hurts someone else, But, he doesn't tell you that payments (the wages of sin) don't
come due until death and Hell.
3) The preaching of The Cross is foolishness.
Jeremiah 17:9 is right -- "the heart of man is desperately wicked, and no one know the extent of the depravity".
Those who have accepted Christ still have their "sin nature"...but they also have a "new nature", that of wanting to live a life pleasing to God. The "sin nature" doesn't disappear until death, or Rapture. It's like having to deal with bad breath, body odor, and the other ills of this corruptible flesh.
One day, the believers On Jesus Christ will have a new resurrection body, like the one that The Lord Jesus Christ had after His
Resurrection. It will never grow old, get sick, be in pain, gain weight, need to eat, sleep, heed the call of nature, or deal with the curse of sin...having the vigor of eternal youth. On the other hand, unbelievers will have a corruptible body forever, that will forever be in pain and agony.
I know you and others consider these posts as "ravings of a madman". But, I have done all the "warning" I can do about what's coming. So, anytime you want these posts dropped, just say so. But, if I stop discussion on the subject, it means that you have to do so as well.
Yeah, tell that to Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin, and all the priests that molested all those boys, etc.
They (and everyone else) will have to answer what they did, and you will have to answer for what you've done.
I will ONLY have to answer for what I've done. And, I have more
than enough on my plate as it is, as I'm sure everyone else does as
well.
I'm a sinner, but I'm a sinner SAVED BY THE GRACE OF GOD.
hey you dont have to be mean to someone just because they dont share the same beliefs.
Yeah, tell that to Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin, and all the priests that molested all those boys, etc.
What is it that you think I believe?
Which is it? You say you don't know the mind of god, by you carry on telling me exactly what is in the mind of god.
Are you damned for something that your father did? Apparently so.
But none of that matters. All one has to do is truly believe and
repent, and all is forgiven. This is all according to your Word of
God.
Dude. Don't put this on me. This is what you and your ilk have been telling me all my life.
Ok, so now you're a satan worshiper too? Didn't your god create this satan guy?
1) He doesn't exist.
All god has to do is make an appearance.
2) You can do whatever you want, good or evil...even if it hurts someone else, But, he doesn't tell you that payments (the wages of sin) don't
come due until death and Hell.
non-believers don't believe in god, then they don't believe in satan
and they won't be swayed to doing things that are reprehensible to
them.
3) The preaching of The Cross is foolishness.
Well, from where I sit, it is. Its actually more than foolishness.
Cool story bro. But I have no reason to believe that is true.
that any atonement will ever happen as you say.
Isn't it convenient that all you have to do is answer to a being that
has no part in the harm you have done to others. What would it be like instead that you had to atone to each individual person that you had harmed.
I'm a sinner, but I'm a sinner SAVED BY THE GRACE OF GOD.
Yeah, that way you don't have to do any REAL atonement.
Who says you have to go there? Who decree'd it? Who created this Hell for you to burn in?
How could you save yourself? You had no agency to doom yourself, so
how can you have any agency to save yourself?
Ok. Whatever that means. I guess you all just like to take pride in being humble.
Salvation from what? From who? By what criteria?
Why was such an act like that required of a god who knows all, sees
all, and wrote the book on everything before creating everything?
Then all he had was a bad weekend. If you believe those stories.
Of course he is. What messiah worshiping cult would be without the impending return. How embarrassing would it be for you if it already
came and left without saying hello.
So this god sets arbitrary standards that you have to appease in order to... what?
9) Gratefully accepting His Free Love Gift made me worthy to go to
Heaven.
What's so great about heaven? I see that people have more stories
about hell than they do heavan. Sell it to me. Why is it so great?
Cool story. I understand that you believe what you believe. I just
don't understand why you chose to believe it. What supporting evidence did you find to chose one faith over another.
What if your stories and beliefs were not true and correct? What if
the thing you want most is nothing but air and vapor?
In the news right now, Ken Ham has built an ark according to the specifications found in your bible. That boondoggle has claimed $18 million dollars of public, tax payer money. Kentucky is not a rich
state, and that money, instead of feeding the poor, or giving services
to those in need, is now going as an offering to a snake-oil salesman.
People of your faith are driving a wedge between all of our peoples and biblically calling for sanctioned discrimination against people who
their faith tells them to hate.
People of your faith who pray to your god, are foregoing medical aid in lieu of prayer for their critically ill children. The news is rife
with reports of parents who let their children die, in some cases ALL their children die, from a easily treated illness. Because they chose
to pray instead of seek medical attention.
But if you want to claim persecution and lament how I have issues with
you praying, you go right ahead. But know that it's not the prayer
that offends me; it's the actions that those prayers evoke in those who
do the praying.
This decree that you find yourself bound to makes no effort to examine whether or not these beliefs are true. This amounts to fraud.
One day, we'll know who is right (the Christians or the non-Christians)... that fact can NOT be denied!!
There is no argument there. The problem is what do you do with this
one life that you KNOW we have. Do you turn a blind eye on it and
forsake it in lieu of a life you really have no way of knowing will
come your way?
Just ask yourself. Why is there judgment at all? Why does there have
to be judgment? Why does there have to be a hell to punish the wrong does? Why can't this god just take everybody to its bosom no matter
what? Why does your god keep a place of torment to keep people in
line? What does it have to lose if you don't toe the line? How does
it hurt it to do away with this place of torment?
That just illustrates to me that you have no desire for knowing the
truth about your beliefs. When have you ever critically examined your beliefs? Where did they come from? How did you get them? What are the linchpins? What would happen if one of those linchpins of your faith
were to be undone? Would you be prepared for the fallout if any of your linchpins to your faith were ever removed?
That whole paragraph is simply an admission that you only care about
your beliefs and not the truth. Where is the examination of your
beliefs? There is none. There is only reaffermation.
So you admit that you could be going blithely along with your beliefs, thinking you may deserve one thing, but have not notion of what you
truly deserve. How do you make sure you are doing the right thing?
If you don't truly investigate your beliefs, you could one day be
standing before Allah and then where would you be?
Re: PPL These Days
By: Gryphon to Mro on Tue Jul 12 2016 10:18 pm
hey you dont have to be mean to someone just because they dont sha the same beliefs.
Yeah, tell that to Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin, and all the priests that mole all those boys, etc.
that has nothing to do with beliefs and everything to do with people
doing horrible things.
What is it that you think I believe?
I think that you have no interest in the Gospel, that you're an
athiest or Saducee, who doesn't believe in life after death, no accountability, no Heaven, no Hell, no devil, no demons, and no God.
Which is it? You say you don't know the mind of god, by you carry on telling me exactly what is in the mind of god.
If I knew The Mind Of The Lord, I would know the moment of my death,
the moment of The Rapture of The Church, when all prophecy will be fulfilled, when Jesus is coming back, etc. Can you tell me the moment of your death??
For that matter, can you give me specifics on the events of the next severe weather outbreak, with tornadoes, large hail, damaging wind, flooding, etc. before it occurs??
In the Old Testament, the prophets of God were right 100% of the
time... they were never wrong. If a prophet was wrong only ONCE, they
were to be stoned to death being thrown off a cliff, with big boulders thrown on top of them until they were dead.
Are you damned for something that your father did? Apparently so.
ALL of mankind is damned because our first parents, Adam and Eve, refused to obey God in the Garden Of Eden. God said "the soul that sins shall die".
But none of that matters. All one has to do is truly believe and repent, and all is forgiven. This is all according to your Word of God.
But, there also has to be a CHANGE. Criminals have used "religion" as
a crux, saying "I found Jesus". When they say they are sorry for their criminal act, they are NOT sorry for that...they are sorry that they
got caught.
And, God sees everything...motive, word, thought, deed. Everything that everyone does on Earth...present company included...is no surprise to
Him.
I served on jury duty nearly 20 years ago, and the judge told one convicted murderer that "you've been here before, saying you found Jesus... but you apparently "lost him", as you're back here again on a similar charge.
Only God knows an individual's heart...but if that heart is black and cold toward Him, there is a limit on the times they can tell God that
"I will NOT be born again". He may then choose to take your life in judgment. God is the Giver of Life, so only He has the right to take it.
Dude. Don't put this on me. This is what you and your ilk have been telling me all my life.
You obviously don't want Christianity, and I'm obviously wasting my
time with you.
Ok, so now you're a satan worshiper too? Didn't your god create this satan guy?
Blasphemer. Satan hates ALL humans...you, me, and everyone else...and especially those who have accepted The Gospel...because when they do,
it's a slap in his face. In short, he wants all of us dead, and in
eternal torment in The Lake Of Fire with him and his demons.
Satan was originally Lucifier, the covering cherub. He had the highest position of any created being...he guarded the Throne Of God. Basically, he was "the music director" of Heaven, with the angelic realm praising God.
Yet, he inflated with pride, feeling that HE should be running the
show instead of God, and The Lord told him that "you shall be brought
down to the sides of the pit". He conned one third of the angels into following him...and all of them were cast out of Heaven.
After the final judgment, Satan will be stripped of all his power and glory, becoming a shell of his former self. And, all shall look upon him narrowly saying "Is this the one who shook the kingdoms??".
1) He doesn't exist.
All god has to do is make an appearance.
He did in the person of His Son, The Lord Jesus Christ. When He
returns the second time "Every eye shall see Him, and all nations
shall wail because of Him".
Millions have said they could never accept "A Suffering Servant" as their Messiah. So, when He returns as a conquering King, it'll be too
late to fall at His Feet, and call Him Lord.
2) You can do whatever you want, good or evil...even if it hurts some else, But, he doesn't tell you that payments (the wages of sin) don't come due until death and Hell.
non-believers don't believe in god, then they don't believe in satan and they won't be swayed to doing things that are reprehensible to them.
That's what Satan wants them to believe...that he and the demons don't exist, that there is no God, there is no Heaven, no Hell, no accountability, and no judgment.
The reason mankind doesn't want to do "good" is that because "the heart of mankind is desperately wicked, and no one can know the extent of the depravity".
3) The preaching of The Cross is foolishness.
Well, from where I sit, it is. Its actually more than foolishness.
Everyone will have to answer for what they individually have done, and no one else. I'll have to answer ONLY for what I've done, and for nothing that you, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, or anyone else,
has done.
Satan has corrupted so many "denominations" with all these legalistic requirements in it.
Cool story bro. But I have no reason to believe that is true.
That is your choice.
You obviously won't even consider "the faith of a little child", and have no desire to believe The Gospel. So, I am finished with you.
that any atonement will ever happen as you say.
You will give an account for every thought, word, and deed, that you have every done...as will everyone else.
If there is no forgiveness of sin, then "we are the most miserable of all creatures", as EVERYONE who has ever lived, is alive now, and who
will live, is going to Hell.
Isn't it convenient that all you have to do is answer to a being that has no part in the harm you have done to others. What would it be li instead that you had to atone to each individual person that you had harmed.
I will ONLY have to answer for what *I* have done...not for a single thing that you, Obama, Clinton, Trump, or anyone else have done.
I'm a sinner, but I'm a sinner SAVED BY THE GRACE OF GOD.
Yeah, that way you don't have to do any REAL atonement.
Works do not save a person...I'm saved by grace through faith in
Christ. The Blood of Jesus covers ALL sins...of those who place their faith in Him. Even one sin not paid for would mean Christ is still in
the grave, and that ALL of mankind...present company included...is
headed for The Lake Of Fire.
As noted, you obviously are critical of The Gospel, and have no interest. I'm willing to consider the possibility what my fate will be
if I am wrong...and from what I believe, I have little to worry about.
To me, you are not willing to consider the possibility that you might be wrong.
If I didn't care about your eternal destiny, I wouldn't say a word...but, I would have had to answer to God why I didn't share the
fact that while someone told me that "I was a lost sinner on my way to Hell", that I refused to tell others of it.
Who says you have to go there? Who decree'd it? Who created this He for you to burn in?
The Lord God. He said "the soul that sins shall die". He also said "I have no pleasure in the death of those who die in their sins". But, if
we constantly thumb our nose at Him, and refuse to heed The Gospel, then he will sorrowfully let us go on our merry way.
Satan and his demonic hordes are laughing at you, because one day (if you have no intention on accepting God's Free Love Gift), God will turn you over to eternal doom, giving you what you desired.
How could you save yourself? You had no agency to doom yourself, so how can you have any agency to save yourself?
Salvation is saving ones self from eternal doom and torment in The Lake Of Fire.
Ok. Whatever that means. I guess you all just like to take pride in being humble.
Righteousness is usually defined as purity, such as a bride on her wedding day in white.
Salvation from what? From who? By what criteria?
Salvation from eternal torment in The Lake Of Fire, from Almighty God, and by His Criteria. Admission into Heaven means that you would have had to have lived a life WITHOUT one single evil word, thought, or deed...in other words, PERFECTION. I know of no one who has walked the Earth
(except for Jesus Christ, God in the Flesh) who was sinless.
Why was such an act like that required of a god who knows all, sees all, and wrote the book on everything before creating everything?
Because God says that "Without the shedding of blood, there is no remission for sin". Before The Foundation Of The World, God's Only Begotten Son, The Lord Jesus Christ, God In The Flesh, the Lamb Of God, was slain. It was in God's Divine Plan that He take upon Himself the
sins of everyone who would ever live, bearing His Own Judgment upon Himself, dying on The Cross, victorious over death and Hell in rising
from the dead 3 days later. He said that "All who come to Me, I will in
no way cast out".
Then all he had was a bad weekend. If you believe those stories.
The reason for the 3 days and nights, is that the Jews believed that from the 4th day after death, there was no way someone could come back
to life from the dead. Yet, Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead after 4 days, which angered the Saducees, who didn't believe in life after death, just like the athiests. But, the Scripture noted that "God would not
allow His Holy Son to see decay".
Of course he is. What messiah worshiping cult would be without the impending return. How embarrassing would it be for you if it already came and left without saying hello.
He will return in two phases...first, to Rapture His Church, then 7 years later to save the believing remnant of Jews from being destroyed.
Josh McDowell, in his book, "Evidence That Demands A Verdict", notes three categories that Jesus Christ could be...the first two are what
the world feels He is (and from your posts, you likely feel the same);
but the third one is what He claims to be.
1) Liar - If everything He said and did was false, then ALL of us... present company included...are headed for eternal doom in The Lake
Of Fire. But, the Apostles and so many others throughout history could have easily recanted their belief and faith in Jesus Christ...yet, they chose to die tortuous, violent deaths instead. They were eyewitnesses of His Majesty, and besides, WHO WOULD DIE FOR A LIE??
After Adam and Eve disobeyed God in the Garden Of Eden, God spoke of
His Plan of Redemption. Satan wasted no time in setting up counterfeit plans. The Bible also notes that "When Satan lies, he speaks his native language".
2) Lunatic - The Jews feel that He was, at best, either a misunderstood rabbi, who didn't have all his marbles together...or at worst, He was a deceiving blasphemer. He was not "The Messiah" they wanted...a godlike warrior who would throw off Roman Rule, and usher in the Millenial Kingdom. When He told them that He was "the only way to Heaven", the
Jews (and the rest of the world) was furious.
3) Lord - He is who He claims to be, and what you do with Him will determine whether you go to Heaven or Hell. You can either bow down to
Him eagerly in this life; or be compelled to on Judgment Day, before
He regretfully casts you into The Lake Of Fire.
As noted so many times, if I'm wrong, I'm not worried. But, if you
are wrong, your death will be the start of your problems. And, I can't
go to Hell...because I've done "the one thing that God requires" (believing on The One He Has Sent), He counts me as "righteous",
although it's the Righteousness of Christ, and NONE of my own.
So this god sets arbitrary standards that you have to appease in orde to... what?
He made The Rules, starting with The 10 Commandments. He also noted in The Bible that "If you broke His Law at one point, you broke it at all points".
9) Gratefully accepting His Free Love Gift made me worthy to go to Heaven.
What's so great about heaven? I see that people have more stories about hell than they do heavan. Sell it to me. Why is it so great?
Look at the message on "Your First 6 Days In Hell" that I just posted. You can laugh about it all you want, but I guarantee you that's what you and all the other unsaved souls will experience if they refuse to accept Christ.
Cool story. I understand that you believe what you believe. I just don't understand why you chose to believe it. What supporting eviden did you find to chose one faith over another.
Because the other religions and their gods said I had to die for them, and I had to do all these things to gain access to Paradise...with no guarantee that I would "make the grade".
With Christianity, its God died for ME, and said all I had to do to be worthy
of Heaven, was to accept what His Son, Jesus Christ, did for me on Calvary. With Christ, I have "the peace that passes all understanding", and have seen far too many instances of Him working in my life, that it trumps your constant saying God doesn't exist.
What if your stories and beliefs were not true and correct? What if the thing you want most is nothing but air and vapor?
I'm willing to stake my eternity on what Jesus Christ did for me. If that doesn't get me into Heaven, nothing will.
After the Rapture of The Church, because all those who refused to
accept God's Free Love Gift and The Truth Of His Word, were left behind, instead of being taken to Heaven..."God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie". In short, since they wanted to believe the lie, He will let them believe it with all their hearts...and He will judge them for rejecting The Truth, and believing The Lie.
In the news right now, Ken Ham has built an ark according to the specifications found in your bible. That boondoggle has claimed $18 million dollars of public, tax payer money. Kentucky is not a rich state, and that money, instead of feeding the poor, or giving service to those in need, is now going as an offering to a snake-oil salesman
The actual Ark is on Mount Ararat. I would refer you to a tract on
that, but your postings show me that you are not at all interested in
The Gospel. I feel that I am casting pearls before swine in trying to witness to you, when you obviously have no interest in the Gospel.
People of your faith are driving a wedge between all of our peoples a biblically calling for sanctioned discrimination against people who their faith tells them to hate.
How many times do I have to tell you that GOD MADE THE RULES, and that man's laws will NEVER supercede God's Laws??
People of your faith who pray to your god, are foregoing medical aid lieu of prayer for their critically ill children. The news is rife with reports of parents who let their children die, in some cases ALL their children die, from a easily treated illness. Because they chos to pray instead of seek medical attention.
Jesus Christ is The Great Physician, and the ULTIMATE healing for a child of God, is to be called home to Heaven. He can choose to heal them physically, or not. And, His Divine Will is going to be accomplished, whether mankind likes it or not.
Those who have died in the faith are RIGHT NOW enjoying the joy and bliss of Heaven, with no sorrow, pain, cares of this life, sin, etc. He will bring these souls with Him at the Rapture, to receive their new resurrection bodies. God's ways are NOT our ways, and many times, people become bitter toward God, because
they thought "He gave them a bum steer", by "letting their loved one
die".
When, in the space of a year, I lost in death, my grandmother-in-law,
my father, my wife, my best man, and nearly lost my brother in a freak motorcycle wreck, I could've been bitter, folded up my tent, and been
gone within 2 weeks...but I resolved "that's not for me". God still has
me here on Earth for a reason. I wasn't bitter about these going to be with The Lord...their work on Earth was done. And, I know that either by death or Rapture, mine will be as well.
Yet, as the Apostle Paul notes "Eye hasn't seen, ear hasn't heard, or has entered into the heart of man...the things that God has prepared for those who love Him". I know Christians who died and went to Heaven, and were brought back to Earth, to witness to The Power Of God, and what is
in store for the believers. When Paul was stoned to death in Lystra, he was taken to Heaven, and saw the Glory of Heaven...but he was forbidden
to reveal them to us, saying "it's not lawful for a man to utter".
But if you want to claim persecution and lament how I have issues wit you praying, you go right ahead. But know that it's not the prayer that offends me; it's the actions that those prayers evoke in those w do the praying.
I have prayed that God would open your eyes, and that you would see The Truth. But, if you don't even want to be prayed for, and you want nothing else to do with God or Jesus Christ, then I will grant you your request.
I will stop this thread anytime you want...or I may quit answering your messages.
This decree that you find yourself bound to makes no effort to examin whether or not these beliefs are true. This amounts to fraud.
Again, WHO WOULD DIE FOR A LIE??!! Millions through the ages, including the Apostles, died horrific deaths, rather than recant their faith in Christ. They could've easily recanted their faith and lived...but they chose death by such things as being burned at the stake, thrown to the lions, impaled, crucified, sawed in half, etc.
One day, we'll know who is right (the Christians or the non-Christians)... that fact can NOT be denied!!
There is no argument there. The problem is what do you do with this one life that you KNOW we have. Do you turn a blind eye on it and forsake it in lieu of a life you really have no way of knowing will come your way?
By faith, I know what's coming my way...and it's far better than what the life on Earth has been.
Just ask yourself. Why is there judgment at all? Why does there hav to be judgment? Why does there have to be a hell to punish the wrong does? Why can't this god just take everybody to its bosom no matter what? Why does your god keep a place of torment to keep people in line? What does it have to lose if you don't toe the line? How does it hurt it to do away with this place of torment?
Because The Lord Made The Rules. He created The Lake Of Fire for Satan and his demons...and for all those who reject The Gospel.
That just illustrates to me that you have no desire for knowing the truth about your beliefs. When have you ever critically examined your beliefs? Where did they come from? How did you get them? What are t linchpins? What would happen if one of those linchpins of your faith were to be undone? Would you be prepared for the fallout if any of yo linchpins to your faith were ever removed?
In a word, faith. As I've said before, I've seen way too many evidences of God working in my puny life, that those trump any and all of your arguments.
No one has yet been able to disprove anything from the Bible. While there are several prophecies that have not yet happened, they WILL occur.
Again, WHO WOULD DIE FOR A LIE?? Would YOU die for something you knew
to be a lie??
Since, you have no interest in what I have posted, I am not going to waste any more time with you. Jesus Christ said "By your fruits, you
shall know them", and your posts tell me that you want nothing to do
with The Gospel.
In short, your blood is off of my hands.
Since you apparently want to pay for your own sins, go for it. Mine
are paid for by the Shed Blood Of Jesus Christ...and I can never thank
Him enough for what He did.
That whole paragraph is simply an admission that you only care about your beliefs and not the truth. Where is the examination of your beliefs? There is none. There is only reaffermation.
Jesus Christ said "You shall know The Truth, and The Truth shall set
you free". I would refer you to "My Statement Of Faith", but your words show me that you are in no mood to hear The Gospel.
If you don't truly investigate your beliefs, you could one day be standing before Allah and then where would you be?
Allah is a Satanic counterfeit. The crescent moon is all over Islam. Muhammad wanted to create his own religion. He needed the backing of his powerful tribe, so he picked Allah, the moon-god, which they worshipped, to be the one god. And, he declared himself to be Allah's prophet.
In the 1950's, a major temple to the moon-god was excavated at Hazor
in Palestine. Two idols of the moon god were found, proving Allah was a pre-Islamic pagan deity. In the book "Islamic Invasion" by Dr. Robert
A. Morey, pages 211-218, there's a photo of Allah sitting on a throne, with a crescent moon on his chest. One of Muhammad's wives was a 6 year old girl, who he had sexual intercourse with.
So, on the day of Judgment, all the Muslims will be trembling, because they have been betrayed!!
But, there is a real God in Heaven, who died for all Muslims, and wants them to know the Truth. He is God the Father, God The Son (Jesus Christ), and God the Holy Ghost. These three are the ONE TRUE God (1 John 5:7). Jesus Christ, the only begotten son of the living God, created the universe (Revelation 4:11). Every Muslim living today is breathing
because Jesus Christ gave them life, and they don't even know Him.
The Word Of God says "All things were made by Him (Jesus), and without Him, was not anything made that was made". Jesus Christ will judge all
who have ever lived...and on Judgment Day, "every knee will bow, and
every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the Glory of
God The Father" (Philippians 2:11). Even Satan and his demons will bow down in The Lake Of Fire, and confess that Jesus is Lord.
(The above 4 paragraphs are from the tract "Allah Had No Son" from
Chick Publications).
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