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    From Dreamer@VERT/SETXBBS to All on Mon Feb 7 13:24:00 2011
    We're not the only ones still talking about setting up alternative nets. Here's another summary from Slashdot, with source link at bottom:

    Internet Is Easy Prey For Governments

    Posted by samzenpus on Sunday February 06, @09:02PM
    from the all-your-tubes-are-belong-to-us dept.

    Hugh Pickens writes writes "Douglas Rushkoff writes on CNN that the
    revolution in Egypt starkly reveals the limits of our internet tools and the ease with which those holding power can take them away. 'Old media, such as terrestrial radio and television, were as distributed as the thousands of stations and antennae from which broadcast signals emanated, but all internet traffic must pass through government and corporate-owned choke points,' says Rushkoff adding that when push came to shove over WikiLeaks in the US the
    very same government authority was used to cut off "enemies of the state"
    from access and funding. Rushkoff suggests that we use the lessons of the internet to build a communications infrastructure that cannot be controlled from the top. Back before the internet, many early computer hobbyists
    networked on Fidonet, a simple peer-to-peer network and now digital activists propose reviving such ideas with mesh networking over Wi-Fi networks that
    could connect inhabitants of an entire city without anyone having an internet service provider. 'Until we choose to develop such alternative networks, our insistence on seeing the likes of Facebook and Twitter as the path toward freedom for all people will only serve to increase our dependence on corporations and government for the right to assemble and communicate.'"

    Source 1 (regarding Egyption cutoff) http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/02/05/rushkoff.egypt.internet/

    Source 2 (regarding mesh networking) http://www.activistpost.com/2011/01/get-internet-access-when-your_30.html

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  • From Rednight@VERT/ENTROPY to Dreamer on Tue Feb 8 23:08:25 2011
    Re: alt internet
    By: Dreamer to All on Mon Feb 07 2011 13:24:00

    It seems to me the whole reason the great internet fiasco of 1994 entire
    point was to gain control over computer networks. Before it was basically given to the telco giants that still seem to hate computer communications their was little control over it, other than the grad students that really
    ran it.

    Governments and corporations have always hated freedom of speech, that hasn't changed, and they certainly do try to stop when it happens. In the west where it is technically illegal to tell people to shutup the easiest way to do it
    is to hand control of the means to some mega-corp[s].

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Rednight on Tue Feb 8 05:31:33 2011
    Re: alt internet
    By: Rednight to Dreamer on Tue Feb 08 2011 11:08 pm

    In the west where it is technically illegal to tell people to shutup the easiest way to do it
    is to hand control of the means to some mega-corp[s].

    We've outsourced unconstitutional acts for some time now. :(

    -pF


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  • From Succo2k@VERT to Dreamer on Sat Feb 12 13:35:03 2011
    has anyone checked out guifi.net huge community wireless based network. over 11000 nodes.

    Dreamer<> wrote:
    We're not the only ones still talking about setting up alternative nets. Here's another summary from Slashdot, with source link at bottom:
    Internet Is Easy Prey For Governments
    Posted by samzenpus on Sunday February 06, @09:02PM
    from the all-your-tubes-are-belong-to-us dept.
    Hugh Pickens writes writes "Douglas Rushkoff writes on CNN that the revolution in Egypt starkly reveals the limits of our internet tools and the ease with which those holding power can take them away. 'Old media, such as terrestrial radio and television, were as distributed as the thousands of stations and antennae from which broadcast signals emanated, but all internet traffic must pass through government and corporate-owned choke points,' says Rushkoff adding that when push came to shove over WikiLeaks in the US the very same government authority was used to cut off "enemies of the state" from access and funding. Rushkoff suggests that we use the lessons of the internet to build a communications infrastructure that cannot be controlled from the top. Back before the internet, many early computer hobbyists networked on Fidonet, a simple peer-to-peer network and now digital activists propose reviving such ideas with mesh networking over Wi-Fi networks that could connect inhabitants of an entire city without anyone having an internet service provider. 'Until we choose to develop such alternative networks, our insistence on seeing the likes of Facebook and Twitter as the path toward freedom for all people will only serve to increase our dependence on corporations and government for the right to assemble and communicate.'" Source 1 (regarding Egyption cutoff) http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/02/05/rushkoff.egypt.internet/
    Source 2 (regarding mesh networking) http://www.activistpost.com/2011/01/get-internet-access-when-your_30.html
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