Its miserably slow and ugly to boot. I guess its a place to see what people will pusblish if they believe they are completely anonymous and safe from prosectution.
Has anyone checked out Freenet ? Its a peer to peer anonymous network where all the content is encrypted and pieced out to peers on the network.
Without taking the time to look into the subject before I post, I'll say tha remember looking into this thing a year or two ago, then hearing a little wh later that the project had tanked. Is it still being developed and supporte Are people still using it? It sounded interesting, but I had no use for it the time and still have none.
The thing that I don't like is that everyone on the network is sharing seemingly random bits of data. That being said, you could have a chunk of kiddie porn on your hard drive and not know it, but by installing the softwa on your computer I'm sure theat you could still be prosecuted for it. So, screw that :)
Has anyone checked out Freenet ? Its a peer to peer anonymous network where all the content is encrypted and pieced out to peers on the network.
I believe that this was exactly why I chose not to use this software. II think you nailed it there. I haven't looked at Freenet,
get that it's a give-and-take scenario, but I found myself weighing the gravity what *I* might wish to keep hidden against the seriousness of what someone e might want to keep hidden, and it didn't seem like such a good trade off. So yeah, just like you did, I said "screw that" and never
looked back. :) echicken electronic chicken bbs -
I wonder if that problem doesn't exist with a BBS as well.
One doesn't know what is on the same server that contains
your name, address, phone number, birth date, sex, and
other personal information.
That's an interesting point, but at least in this scenario you aren'tI would tend to agree, but now you have the problem of proving
hostin someone else's illegal stuff yourself - your name is simply sitting on the s drive as it while it remains on somebody else's machine. Even if that drive were confiscated by the authorities and your name fell under scrutinous eyes you'd still be a far cry from having served up illegal materials from your o system.
What you've said does make sense but doesn't
need to be limited to the BBS world; the same concerns could be apply to membership with any kind of websi Plus there's like five people still
using BBSes so they probably don't fetch much attention from the authorities. :) echicken electronic chicken bbs -
Actually, I'm glad they don't fetch much attention. Part of
subject line, is the question of BBS security. I am very
surprised at how many BBSs require enough information to
get a credit card in your name, even just to find out what
they have to offer. Some of that, such as phone number,
oppertunity. Except, like you say, there are only five
of us, and I'm probably the only old fart here. Probably
not a lot of phishing bait among the other four either.
That's an interesting point, but at least in this scenario you aren't hostin someone else's illegal stuff yourself - your name is simply sittin on the s drive as it while it remains on somebody else's machine. Even if that drive were confiscated by the authorities and your name fell under scrutinous eyes you'd still be a far cry from having served up illegal materials from your o system.I would tend to agree, but now you have the problem of proving
that this material is not available to you. Would a judge
understand what a BBS is and how it works. Sounds like it
could be an uphill climb. Not only that, but not all BBSs are
hosted in a big commercial server farm. What does it look like
if said BBS was run off someone's home computer? Just thinkin. :)
What you've said does make sense but doesn't
need to be limited to the BBS world; the same concerns could be apply to membership with any kind of websi Plus there's like five people still using BBSes so they probably don't fetch much attention from the authorities. :) echicken electronic chicken bbs -
Actually, I'm glad they don't fetch much attention. Part of
the reason this subject interests me, and why I changed the
subject line, is the question of BBS security. I am very
surprised at how many BBSs require enough information to
get a credit card in your name, even just to find out what
they have to offer. Some of that, such as phone number,
is a hangover from the old days when many didn't have
call display and had to pay for lines to keep the board up.
Nowadays, I think it is highly inapropriate to be asking
for someone's sex and phone number. I wonder what's up
with that. It seems to me that a BBS is a great phishing
oppertunity. Except, like you say, there are only five
of us, and I'm probably the only old fart here. Probably
not a lot of phishing bait among the other four either.
oppertunity. Except, like you say, there are only five
of us, and I'm probably the only old fart here. Probably
not a lot of phishing bait among the other four either.
Well, I don't know how old you are echicken but as far as BBS Dinosaurs I mi have you beat!
Actually, I'm glad they don't fetch much attention. Part of the
reason this subject interests me, and why I changed the subject
line, is the question of BBS security. I am very surprised at how
many BBSs require enough information to get a credit card in your
name, even just to find out what they have to offer. Some of that,
such as phone number, is a hangover from the old days when many
didn't have call display and had to pay for lines to keep the board
up. Nowadays, I think it is highly inapropriate to be asking for
someone's sex and phone number. I wonder what's up with that. It
seems to me that a BBS is a great phishing oppertunity. Except,
like you say, there are only five of us, and I'm probably the only
old fart here. Probably not a lot of phishing bait among the other
Re: BBS security (was Freenet
By: Voxigo to echicken on Thu Feb 04 2010 03:06 am
Actually, I'm glad they don't fetch much attention. Part of the
reason this subject interests me, and why I changed the subject
line, is the question of BBS security. I am very surprised at how
many BBSs require enough information to get a credit card in your
name, even just to find out what they have to offer. Some of that,
such as phone number, is a hangover from the old days when many
didn't have call display and had to pay for lines to keep the board
up. Nowadays, I think it is highly inapropriate to be asking for someone's sex and phone number. I wonder what's up with that. It
seems to me that a BBS is a great phishing oppertunity. Except,
like you say, there are only five of us, and I'm probably the only
old fart here. Probably not a lot of phishing bait among the other
well if you dont like it, dont sign up!
if there's a bbs that asks for a phone number, i just put all 1's.
nobody wants to open a credit card account with your information.
if people have a problem with the questions i ask [age, sex, and the inforform stuff i dont read] , they can call some shitty stock board.
How about if they want to see if it is "shitty stock board" or
something BEFORE they sign up? How would they know? We're not
talking about users here. We're talking about _potential_ users.
Re: BBS security (was Freenet
By: Voxigo to Jas Hud on Sun Feb 14 2010 01:48 am
How about if they want to see if it is "shitty stock board" or
something BEFORE they sign up? How would they know? We're not
talking about users here. We're talking about _potential_ users.
That's why you have to option to create a guest account. Something for those potential users to try your board out, with limited access. For example, my guest account is not allowed to play door games, or post on networked messag They are, however, allowed to post in the local messages, and move around on the board to check it out. If they decided they like it, they can create the own account, which allows full access to the board.
This is one big difference between BBSes and web forums. The accounts on BBS allow for a little more attraction from people that want to have good conversation. A lot of people still prefer this form of communication over w forums because we don't seem to attract as many 12 year olds the say their d can hack your computer.
axisd
That's why you have to option to create a guest account. Something for
those potential users to try your board out, with limited access. For example, my guest account is not allowed to play door games, or post on networked messages. They are, however, allowed to post in the local messages, and move around on the board to check it out. If they decided
they like it, they can create their own account, which allows full access
Yes, Guest accounts are the way to go. Unfortunately, most
boards don't have it. You log in and the software just makes
fun of you. "Create New Account y/n", you hit "n" and it
starts to go around in circles. I think that is totally
incompitent and rude programming. I'm sorry if those are
strong words, but just how unthinking, or unfeeling, can
one expect a sysop or programmer to be? I am glad to hear
that you think guest accouts are the way to go. Limited
access, with an ability to check out the editor, if all
that is needed.
I don't know what kind of experience you have had with web
forums. Of course I can guess, because I have seen rude
kiddie forums. My experience is different. I am a very
active member of several forums and there is absolutely
no rudeness, or even inappropriate language. Actually
that may partially be because these are technical forums
which tends to appeal to older people. However, I do
think that adults have some responsibility in the kids
behave properly in public.
I am quickly learning how to navigate the BBS scene too.
There are many areas where people are emotionally young.
Scinet is spotted with homophobes and racists. I see the
same on Zer0net. In those cases it looks like we are
seeing 12 year olds who haven't yet found their "voice",
so to speak. We all go through a developmental stage
where we try out things like swearing. Usually we find out
soon that it just makes us look like fools. Anyway, kids
will be kids. :)
Re: BBS security (was Freenet
By: Voxigo to Access Denied on Sun Feb 14 2010 03:41 pm
You're right. Most boards don't have it, except the boards running current up-to-date BBS software. Most of these BBS softwares were programmed well before the web was popular in the public eye. So at the time it was the only way. You're usually connecting directly to someone's computer, accessing the files, etc. Of course any sysop in the right mind would want a _little_ information about you.
I've had all sorts of experience with them, actually. From gaming forums, to help forums, to Linux forums and whatever else. I started on BBSes, so maybe that's why I sway towards them in favoritism, and it's great that you favor what you like.
But it's almost starting to seem like you're coming here tryi
to put this medium down and praise yours.
If you don't like it here, by all
means.. go back to your web forums.
Like I said. If you don't like it here, leave. It's that easy. If you want t point out certain places where there's people you don't like because of the they act, you need to stop using the internet completely. There's racists, homophobes, and whatever else you speak of _everywhere_. One or two people won't ruin it for everyone.
Just like on your web forums. Don't come around
here talking down on this medium, as we don't come to yours to start up with you about how terrible it is.
That's why you have to option to create a guest account. Something for th
Yes, Guest accounts are the way to go. Unfortunately, most
boards don't have it. You log in and the software just makes
Yes, Guest accounts are the way to go. Unfortunately, most
boards don't have it. You log in and the software just makes
fun of you. "Create New Account y/n", you hit "n" and it
starts to go around in circles. I think that is totally
incompitent and rude programming. I'm sorry if those are
strong words, but just how unthinking, or unfeeling, can
Scinet is spotted with homophobes and racists. I see the
same on Zer0net. In those cases it looks like we are
same on Zer0net. In those cases it looks like we are
seeing 12 year olds who haven't yet found their "voice",
so to speak. We all go through a developmental stage
where we try out things like swearing. Usually we find out
soon that it just makes us look like fools. Anyway, kids
will be kids. :)
That's why you have to option to create a guest account. Something for
Yes, Guest accounts are the way to go. Unfortunately, most
boards don't have it. You log in and the software just makes
Nor does this one. I killed the account. Security reasons.
You wouldnt like here anyways because it's largely stock. Works for my callers who arent into flash as much as basic functionality.
xxcarol
Nor does this one. I killed the account. Security reasons.
You wouldnt like here anyways because it's largely stock. Works for my callers who arent into flash as much as basic functionality.
What kind of security reasons made you kill the Guest account?
E-mail address makes sense because it is verifiable. So does
a phone number verifier like we used to use. Of course, if a
person uses POTS to connect they might not have an internet
connection and vice versa. Some of the other information makes
sense as well from a social point of view.
However the
idea of connecting directly to someone's computer is difficult
for me to understand. When is that not the case? You have to
connect to a computer in all cases don't you? Yes, a web
server may not belong to the content owner, or he may be
renting. Often in fact people _do_ own the server. I'm not
sure what the importance of that can be. Nor does it matter
if they keep the server at home or if they have it at some
other location. Whether you're running apache or MBE doesn't
seem to be relevant either. Is it?
kinds of comments that I see. To me there is nothing wrong with
moderation in a situation like that. YMMV
I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at regarding coming
here or going there. They're not my web forums. I put up web pages
and services for other people to use and I don't expect compensation
or ask for user information, and that is what is prompting me to ask
what the real difference is with the BBS world.
different when I first started using BBSs, but a lot has changed,
and I think it is worthwhile having a look at what those changes
really are and how to best adapt to them. In the process I was
also hoping to learn something.
where people are comming from. Some people seem to think
that there is a security issue and that is a puzzle to me.
A really good explanation has not come forth yet. /v
it for a minute it became clear that I too like to know
where people are comming from. Some people seem to think
That's why you have to option to create a guest account. Something
Yes, Guest accounts are the way to go. Unfortunately, most
boards don't have it. You log in and the software just makes
Nor does this one. I killed the account. Security reasons.
You wouldnt like here anyways because it's largely stock. Works for my callers who arent into flash as much as basic functionality.
xxcarol
Hi Carol,
Well, stock is fine by me. Since I've never played games in
my life (well 50 years ago a bit) I don't appreciate any of
the "flash" and stuff. Although a pleasant interface is good.
I like communication and that is why I have turned my
attention to BBSs again.
What kind of security reasons made you kill the Guest account?
Nor does this one. I killed the account. Security reasons.
You wouldnt like here anyways because it's largely stock. Works for my callers who arent into flash as much as basic functionality.
with most BBS packages you can just login as guest instead of hitting 'Y' fo new user etc.. so ...
Re: Freenet Anyone?g
By: Voxigo to echicken on Wed Feb 03 2010 18:29:08
I wonder if that problem doesn't exist with a BBS as well.
One doesn't know what is on the same server that contains
your name, address, phone number, birth date, sex, and
other personal information.
That's an interesting point, but at least in this scenario you aren't hostin
someone else's illegal stuff yourself - your name is simply sitting on the same
drive as it while it remains on somebody else's machine. Even if that drive were confiscated by the authorities and your name fell under scrutinous eyes you'd still be a far cry from having served up illegal materials from your own
system.te.
What you've said does make sense but doesn't need to be limited to the BBS world; the same concerns could be apply to membership with any kind of websi
Plus there's like five people still using BBSes so they probably don't fetch much attention from the authorities. :)
echicken
electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com - 416-273-7230
Re: Freenet Anyone?
By: echicken to Voxigo on Wed Feb 03 2010 11:42 pm
Re: Freenet Anyone?
By: Voxigo to echicken on Wed Feb 03 2010 18:29:08
I wonder if that problem doesn't exist with a BBS as well.
One doesn't know what is on the same server that contains
your name, address, phone number, birth date, sex, and
other personal information.
That's an interesting point, but at least in this scenario you aren't hosting
someone else's illegal stuff yourself - your name is simply sitting on the same
drive as it while it remains on somebody else's machine. Even if that drive were confiscated by the authorities and your name fell under scrutinous eyes you'd still be a far cry from having served up illegal materials from your own
system.
What you've said does make sense but doesn't need to be limited to the BBS world; the same concerns could be apply to membership with any kind of website.
Plus there's like five people still using BBSes so they probably don't fetch much attention from the authorities. :)
echicken
electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com - 416-273-7230
Yeah the issue that I have with freenet is that it's really slow, filled with kiddie porn, I don't want that on my computer. I hate not knowing what I have on my computer because of it. So I have tried it out even went so
far as to publish a helpful site.
The issue is that it's filled with pedo's and anarchist's so that's never a good combo
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