Re: Amazing
By: Weatherman to All on Mon Dec 28 2020 01:41 am

I have to admit, I'm gob-smacked, absolutely amazed at the lack of discussion in this forum regarding what has happened in the recent general election. We are literally looking at one of the greatest threats to the Second Amendment that this country has faced, and yet the message traffic on this message base is a big, fat zero. Absolutely amazing.

Not really. I've been hearing (and originally, believed) the alarm bells over gun rights since the '80s. Meh. Don't get too worried about it. Like abortion, it's a dog whistle that the politicians use to drive people to the polls. That's it. They don't really care if you do or don't own a gun, what kind of gun it is or what you do with it, they just care about votes (well, and money, which buys votes).
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Weatherman wrote to All <=-

It's truly a shame they don't teach American History in schools any
more.

Oh, they do - but it's a little different from the history I learned.
But, that's a topic for another echo.



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Re: Amazing
By: Weatherman to All on Mon Dec 28 2020 01:41 am

I have to admit, I'm gob-smacked, absolutely amazed at the lack of discussio in this forum regarding what has happened in the recent general election. W are literally looking at one of the greatest threats to the Second Amendment that this country has faced, and yet the message traffic on this message bas is a big, fat zero. Absolutely amazing. So... when the Second Amendment ha been abolished, which the Left would purely love to do, they'll come after t First Amendment. Believe me, THAT assault has already begun. After the Fir is gone, then you'll find yourself wondering how the hell you'll be able to defend the REST of the Bill of Rights. Truth, people. The First Amendment the most threatening to government. The Second Amendment exists solely to defend the other eight amendments that make up the Bill of Rights.

It's truly a shame they don't teach American History in schools any more.

Regards,
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"First Amendment" is heavily compromised nowadays with all the cancel culture going on.

Your non-profit says something that does not follow the party line; they revoke your non-profit status, force payment processors to stop processing your donations, and funnel a bunch of tax money into your opposition.

This, I find disturbing. But what I find even more disturbing is the fact people allows such thing to happen.

If you think Americans are not combative when it comes to their rights you should come to Europe and see how we are doing.


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Re: Amazing
By: Digital Man to Weatherman on Mon Dec 28 2020 04:06 am

Re: Amazing
By: Weatherman to All on Mon Dec 28 2020 01:41 am

I have to admit, I'm gob-smacked, absolutely amazed at the lack of discussion in this forum regarding what has happened in the recent genera election. We are literally looking at one of the greatest threats to the Second Amendment that this country has faced, and yet the message traffic this message base is a big, fat zero. Absolutely amazing.

Not really. I've been hearing (and originally, believed) the alarm bells ove gun rights since the '80s. Meh. Don't get too worried about it. Like abortio it's a dog whistle that the politicians use to drive people to the polls. That's it. They don't really care if you do or don't own a gun, what kind of gun it is or what you do with it, they just care about votes (well, and mone which buys votes).

There is a lot of money to extract from gun owners via licenses and permits.

There is a lot of money to extract from gun stores, ammo manufacturers, shooting clubs et al via licenses and permits.

There is a lot of control to be exterted by channeling "cultural funds" tax money into target shooting associations that further your party line.

Either way, it is about control, like everything governments do.
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I have to admit, I'm gob-smacked, absolutely amazed at the lack of discussion >in this forum regarding what has happened in the recent general election. We >are literally looking at one of the greatest threats to the Second Amendment >that this country has faced, and yet the message traffic on this message base >is a big, fat zero.

Bigger than Obama?

Absolutely amazing. So... when the Second Amendment has
been abolished, which the Left would purely love to do, they'll come after the >First Amendment. Believe me, THAT assault has already begun. After the First >is gone, then you'll find yourself wondering how the hell you'll be able to >defend the REST of the Bill of Rights. Truth, people. The First Amendment is >the most threatening to government. The Second Amendment exists solely to >defend the other eight amendments that make up the Bill of Rights.

It's truly a shame they don't teach American History in schools any more.

Agree on your summation of the amendments, bill of rights, and not teaching history any more. Gotta make room for gender studies and "feelings," after all.


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Weatherman wrote to All <=-

I have to admit, I'm gob-smacked, absolutely amazed at the lack
of discussion in this forum regarding what has happened in the
recent general election. We are literally looking at one of the
greatest threats to the Second Amendment that this country has
faced, and yet the message traffic on this message base is a big,
fat zero. Absolutely amazing. So... when the Second Amendment
has been abolished, which the Left would purely love to do,
they'll come after the First Amendment. Believe me, THAT assault
has already begun. After the First is gone, then you'll find
yourself wondering how the hell you'll be able to defend the REST
of the Bill of Rights. Truth, people. The First Amendment is
the most threatening to government. The Second Amendment exists
solely to defend the other eight amendments that make up the Bill
of Rights.

Do you honestly believe that any of those Amendments are going to be
repealed? Do you know what is required to take place for that to
happen?

For the record, I'm a staunch conservative, and hardcore supporter of
the 2nd Amendment. I have owned LOTS of guns, before they were all
tragically lost in a boating accident, of course.

It's truly a shame they don't teach American History in schools
any more.

You may be able to find a remedial class at your local community
college. Study up on what it takes to make (or repeal) a
Constitutional Amendment. Then, come back here again and tell us what
you think the odds of that actually happening are. Cheers!



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Re: Amazing
By: Dumas Walker to VLK-451 on Tue Dec 29 2020 02:35 pm

If you limit law-abiding civilans to pistols and shotguns, you don't necessarily give an advantage to law enforcement. Back when law
enforcement first lost their advantage, it was because mobsters and outlaws had machine guns. My point being that most of the time they get in big shootouts with people who can outgun them, it is not your average civilian they are trading shots with, and making those guns illegal is not going to change that.

I definately agree with that agument. In effect, gun control and regulation like it limits or otherwise obstructs citizens while not effectively preventing criminals from having access to regulated/illegal weapons.

I also just so happen to be a fud when it comes to gun, so if someone told me I could only have 9mm and 12g from now on, I would be quite content.

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Digital Man wrote to Weatherman <=-

I have to admit, I'm gob-smacked, absolutely amazed at the lack of discussion in this forum regarding what has happened in the recent general election. We are literally looking at one of the greatest threats to the Second Amendment that this country has faced, and yet the message traffic on this message base is a big, fat zero. Absolutely amazing.

Not really. I've been hearing (and originally, believed) the alarm
bells over gun rights since the '80s. Meh. Don't get too worried about
it. Like abortion, it's a dog whistle that the politicians use to drive people to the polls. That's it. They don't really care if you do or
don't own a gun, what kind of gun it is or what you do with it, they
just care about votes (well, and money, which buys votes). --
digital man

Wow, so then universal background checks for any and ALL transfers of firearms, including private sales and those to family members don't bother you.
You don't see that as a backdoor strategy to actually create a national registry of firearms and their owners as a confiscation database. Quite interesting.

Limits of the amount of ammunition that can be legally purchased on a per-month basis is not in ANY way limiting the rights of the legal firearm owner?

Banning firearms because of purely cosmetic features like pistol grips or flash suppressors is absolutely reasonable in your mind, is that correct?

You don't mind the limiting of magazine capacity of any kind of firearms, including handguns at all.

If a person walks into a gun store and sees a certain number of highly desireable and collectible firearms and wants to add them to his collection but can't because there is a limit to the number of firearms an individual is allowed to purchase in the course of a month, he's just shit out of luck because he hit his quota earlier in the month. That's fine with you, right?

Each and every one of these restrictions, and OTHERS, are currently active in various states in this country. The clear fact of the matter is this. If the Left wins the Senate there is nothing to block them from making these restrictions nationwide. Once they have sufficiently handcuffed (in all applicable meanings of the term) legal gun owners, they WILL begin to encroach on the other rights that the Second Amendment currently protects. The Second was passed to allow the populace to protect itself against the government. It has done so in the past, and the intent is to allow it to do so in the future. The assault on the First Amendment has already begun. The press is controlled by a single political party. Do you not see how that is wrong? Try, just TRY to express a conservative point of view on social media. You'll be squashed.

Sorry, DM, but I disagree. There is a very real and very present danger to ALL of the rights afforded us under the Bill of Rights, and the ONLY thing that stops an all out assault on those rights are the rougly 100 million Americans who own the 390 plus million firearms in this country. Private firearm owners represent the largest military force this nation has ever faced.


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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Weatherman <=-

Weatherman wrote to All <=-

It's truly a shame they don't teach American History in schools any
more.

Oh, they do - but it's a little different from the history I learned.
But, that's a topic for another echo.

It's a highly selective version of American History...


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Gamgee wrote to Weatherman <=-

I have to admit, I'm gob-smacked, absolutely amazed at the lack
of discussion in this forum regarding what has happened in the
recent general election. We are literally looking at one of the
greatest threats to the Second Amendment that this country has
faced, and yet the message traffic on this message base is a big,
fat zero. Absolutely amazing. So... when the Second Amendment
has been abolished, which the Left would purely love to do,
they'll come after the First Amendment. Believe me, THAT assault
has already begun. After the First is gone, then you'll find
yourself wondering how the hell you'll be able to defend the REST
of the Bill of Rights. Truth, people. The First Amendment is
the most threatening to government. The Second Amendment exists
solely to defend the other eight amendments that make up the Bill
of Rights.

Do you honestly believe that any of those Amendments are going to be repealed? Do you know what is required to take place for that to
happen?

Did you read the word "repeal" in any of my post? Of course I know what's required to repeal a Constitutional Amendment. It requires ANOTHER amendment. HOWEVER, many of our rights have ALREADY been sidestepped, eroded and maipulated through laws and regulations that bypass the Constitution. The Federal Firearms Act of 1938, the Gun Control Act of 1968, the "assault weapon" ban of the Clinton administration, Section 230, various provisions of the Patriot Act, FISA and so, so many other federal laws have put restrictions on personal liberties and rights that were originally protected under the Bill of Rights and yet... even without a constitutional amendment we find these rights have been trampled upon by our government. It takes a Constitutional Amenemdnet to repeal or alter the Constitution, but it does NOT take an Amendment to destroy our rights.

For the record, I'm a staunch conservative, and hardcore supporter of
the 2nd Amendment. I have owned LOTS of guns, before they were all tragically lost in a boating accident, of course.

It's truly a shame they don't teach American History in schools
any more.

You may be able to find a remedial class at your local community
college. Study up on what it takes to make (or repeal) a
Constitutional Amendment. Then, come back here again and tell us what
you think the odds of that actually happening are. Cheers!

I don't need a remedial class. I see what's going on. And the odds of having the intent and purpose of the Second Amendment completely subverted are very high. Once that's done, you can kiss the rest of your rights good bye.


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I also just so happen to be a fud when it comes to gun, so if someone told me I
could only have 9mm and 12g from now on, I would be quite content.

I know several who would be happy with a .22 or a break-barrel springer.
Those certainly have their applications.


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Re: Amazing
By: Dumas Walker to VLK-451 on Wed Dec 30 2020 01:59 pm

I also just so happen to be a fud when it comes to gun, so if someone told I
could only have 9mm and 12g from now on, I would be quite content.

I know several who would be happy with a .22 or a break-barrel springer. Those certainly have their applications.

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I am quite happy with my Llama .38 (which is a piece of junk compared to the irons you talk about in here) but that does not mean I like my ability to get something else removed :-)
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I am quite happy with my Llama .38 (which is a piece of junk compared to the irons you talk about in here) but that does not mean I like my ability to get something else removed :-)

I am more comfortable with .38 standard barrel handguns than others. A
friend of mine used to have a nice Tarus .357 revolver. We'd load it with
.38 shells (because they were less expensive) and use it for target
practice. I got pretty good with it.

I liked that gun. I wish I had known he was going to sell it before he did.


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Dumas Walker wrote to ARELOR <=-

I am more comfortable with .38 standard barrel handguns than
others. A friend of mine used to have a nice Tarus .357
revolver. We'd load it with .38 shells (because they were less
expensive) and use it for target practice. I got pretty good
with it.

A Taurus? Ewwwwwwww!!!



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Re: Re: Amazing
By: Gamgee to Dumas Walker on Thu Dec 31 2020 09:31 pm

I am more comfortable with .38 standard barrel handguns than
others. A friend of mine used to have a nice Tarus .357
revolver. We'd load it with .38 shells (because they were less expensive) and use it for target practice. I got pretty good
with it.

A Taurus? Ewwwwwwww!!!

Ew. My old boss had a Taurus 44 Mag... damn thing jammed the first time it was shot. I had to send the stupid gun back to Taurus. I did tell him to never buy a Taurus but he never listened.

Personally, I'm a Beretta, Glock, H&K, and Sig person. Each are extremely reliable, damn accurate out of the box, and highly customizable. :)

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Dream Master wrote to Gamgee <=-

I am more comfortable with .38 standard barrel handguns than
others. A friend of mine used to have a nice Tarus .357
revolver. We'd load it with .38 shells (because they were less expensive) and use it for target practice. I got pretty good
with it.

A Taurus? Ewwwwwwww!!!

Ew. My old boss had a Taurus 44 Mag... damn thing jammed the
first time it was shot. I had to send the stupid gun back to
Taurus. I did tell him to never buy a Taurus but he never
listened.

Yeah I have never owned one, and never will. That's based on the same reasoning as you described above. You get what you pay for.

Personally, I'm a Beretta, Glock, H&K, and Sig person. Each are
extremely reliable, damn accurate out of the box, and highly
customizable. :)

I have a Beretta 92FS that I like, but that's it for them. Also a few
Glocks but no H&K. Don't like the looks of Sig. Mostly S&W and Ruger
for me, and CZ.



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Dumas Walker wrote to ARELOR <=-

I am more comfortable with .38 standard barrel handguns than
others. A friend of mine used to have a nice Tarus .357
revolver. We'd load it with .38 shells (because they were less expensive) and use it for target practice. I got pretty good
with it.

A Taurus? Ewwwwwwww!!!

That is what most people say, but this one was a good one... or the mist of time has made me mis-identify it. :)


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Re: Re: Amazing
By: Gamgee to Dream Master on Fri Jan 01 2021 09:14 am

I have a Beretta 92FS that I like, but that's it for them. Also a few Glocks but no H&K. Don't like the looks of Sig. Mostly S&W and Ruger
for me, and CZ.

My Beretta is a 96FS INOX (40 SW). At this point in time, I'm looking at adding another Glock to my inventory. :)

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Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-

I am more comfortable with .38 standard barrel handguns than
others. A friend of mine used to have a nice Tarus .357
revolver. We'd load it with .38 shells (because they were less expensive) and use it for target practice. I got pretty good
with it.

A Taurus? Ewwwwwwww!!!

That is what most people say, but this one was a good one... or
the mist of time has made me mis-identify it. :)

Hehe. No problem, just pokin' at ya.



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Re: Amazing
By: Weatherman to All on Mon Dec 28 2020 01:41 am

I have to admit, I'm gob-smacked, absolutely amazed at the lack of discussio in this forum regarding what has happened in the recent general election. W are literally looking at one of the greatest threats to the Second Amendment that this country has faced, and yet the message traffic on this message bas is a big, fat zero. Absolutely amazing. So... when the Second Amendment ha been abolished, which the Left would purely love to do, they'll come after t First Amendment. Believe me, THAT assault has already begun. After the Fir is gone, then you'll find yourself wondering how the hell you'll be able to defend the REST of the Bill of Rights. Truth, people. The First Amendment the most threatening to government. The Second Amendment exists solely to defend the other eight amendments that make up the Bill of Rights.

It's truly a shame they don't teach American History in schools any more.

Regards,
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The anti 2a folk have been keeping things on the lay low. I'm sure that will change soon.

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Re: Re: Amazing
By: Gamgee to Weatherman on Mon Dec 28 2020 19:04:00

I have to admit, I'm gob-smacked, absolutely amazed at the lack
of discussion in this forum regarding what has happened in the
recent general election. We are literally looking at one of the greatest threats to the Second Amendment that this country has
faced, and yet the message traffic on this message base is a big,
fat zero. Absolutely amazing. So... when the Second Amendment
has been abolished, which the Left would purely love to do,
they'll come after the First Amendment. Believe me, THAT assault
has already begun. After the First is gone, then you'll find
yourself wondering how the hell you'll be able to defend the REST
of the Bill of Rights. Truth, people. The First Amendment is
the most threatening to government. The Second Amendment exists
solely to defend the other eight amendments that make up the Bill
of Rights.

Do you honestly believe that any of those Amendments are going to be repealed? Do you know what is required to take place for that to
happen?

For the record, I'm a staunch conservative, and hardcore supporter of
the 2nd Amendment. I have owned LOTS of guns, before they were all tragically lost in a boating accident, of course.

It's truly a shame they don't teach American History in schools
any more.

You may be able to find a remedial class at your local community
college. Study up on what it takes to make (or repeal) a
Constitutional Amendment. Then, come back here again and tell us what
you think the odds of that actually happening are. Cheers!

... All hope abandon, ye who enter messages here.

What I think is funny is that you believe they have to repeal an ammendment to render it useless. They've already suborned the first ammendment with all of this "hate speech" crap. Your speech is now officially only protected if it is a popular idea supported by the majority (or whomever the media supports). If they don't like what you say it is automatically labled hate speech and you're ostricized and eviscerated by the media if not convicted. I actually heard on the news that Trump supporters need to be reprogrammed.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out because I wasn't a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me. And there was no one left to speak for me.

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Tyner wrote to Gamgee <=-

Do you honestly believe that any of those Amendments are going to be repealed? Do you know what is required to take place for that to
happen?

What I think is funny is that you believe they have to repeal an ammendment to render it useless. They've already suborned the
first ammendment with all of this "hate speech" crap. Your
speech is now officially only protected if it is a popular idea
supported by the majority (or whomever the media supports). If
they don't like what you say it is automatically labled hate
speech and you're ostricized and eviscerated by the media if not convicted. I actually heard on the news that Trump supporters
need to be reprogrammed.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out
because I wasn't a socialist. Then they came for the trade
unionists, and I did not speak out because I wasn't a trade
unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out
because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for me. And there was no
one left to speak for me.

Yada, yada, yada... Better tighten up your tin-foil beanie, boy.



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Re: Amazing
By: Watchman to Moondog on Tue Jan 19 2021 03:41 pm

Re: Amazing
By: Moondog to HusTler on Fri Jan 01 2021 14:36:00

By: HusTler to Weatherman on Mon Dec 28 2020 08:06 am

In Germany, the elephant in the living room is how many "illegal" firearms are stil
lurking around in closets, attics, buried in the back yard, etc.

WWII left a lot of real nice weapons running around that little country which were
retrieved for safekeeping by the citizens. Germany probably has more "ghost" M1
Garands and 1911s in civilian hands than we do.

There is a reason why our guys stationed over there in the 90's were occasionally
approached regarding the possibility of obtaining .30-06 and .45ACP rounds...

Sounds like Spain too. Lots of goodies from the civil war floating around. Also lots
of guns given away or sold by rogue Civil Guards to civs during the post-war era.

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What I think is funny is that you believe they have to repeal an ammendment to >render it useless. They've already suborned the first ammendment with all of >this "hate speech" crap. Your speech is now officially only protected if it is
a popular idea supported by the majority (or whomever the media supports). If >they don't like what you say it is automatically labled hate speech and you're >ostricized and eviscerated by the media if not convicted. I actually heard on >the news that Trump supporters need to be reprogrammed.

Commie Curic said that, but she is not the only one who has said that.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out because I wasn't a >socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out >because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not >speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me. And there was no one left to speak for me.

That is a famous quote, or paraphrase of one. I cannot remember who said
it, though.


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Re: Amazing
By: Arelor to Watchman on Wed Jan 20 2021 09:34:42

There are a lot of hunting rifles out there that started out Mil-Surp from Spain...

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Re: Amazing
By: Watchman to Arelor on Thu Jan 21 2021 07:44 am

Re: Amazing
By: Arelor to Watchman on Wed Jan 20 2021 09:34:42

There are a lot of hunting rifles out there that started out Mil-Surp from Spain...

As longas they were not from the Spanish Republican side, you are golden :-P

Spanish Republicans used all kinds of Italian material - heck they even used Italaian anarchist troopers - which was known for
alñl kind of problems. Certain machineguns in particular were known for having the firing pins break mid-battle.

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Re: Amazing
By: Weatherman to All on Mon Dec 28 2020 01:41 am

So... when the Second Amendment has been abolished, which the Left would purely love to do,

Thank you for reminding me of the shit joke of a left-wing we have in the U.S. Any self-respecting leftist who saw the average working class person getting their arms taken away from them to give the rich and powerful an advantage would nip that shit right in the bud before a second thought. But of course, the neolibs strike yet again, as they have been on the Democratic and Republican parties for the last couple of years now.

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