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  • California budget deficit issue

    From Utopian Galt@VERT to All on Fri Nov 21 22:19:08 2025
    The Giving Tree of the state of California is wearing thin. We have a huge budget shortfall with so many misguided priorities such as funding Proposition 50 instead of funding Medicaid or our prisons. We already cut services for disabled youth and watered down some care for the people who lack legal immigration status, but Democrats are not going to eliminate the entitlement that the state taxpayers are obligated to pay for. If Democrats want to give health care to the undocumented aliens then they need to take the political courage to raise those taxes if they feel so deeply for that demographic group.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Utopian Galt on Sat Nov 22 12:29:13 2025
    Utopian Galt wrote to All <=-

    pay for. If Democrats want to give health care to the undocumented
    aliens then they need to take the political courage to raise those
    taxes if they feel so deeply for that demographic group.

    They are going to start charging for access to medical in 2027 and
    announced a pause in people who are not pregnant in 2026.

    One school of thought is that having preventative/early stage medical
    care for people residing in the state, regardless of status is a good
    thing - it would cost more to process them through an emergency room
    when their condition worsens through lack of care than to take care of
    it early.

    I was going to compare the cost of an advil to the cost of being on a
    ventilator in an ICU, but I recall how much an advil cost in my last
    hospital bill.

    The reality is, while some people may come over the border for the
    benefits, we have a lot of undocumented workers who, well, work. They
    work in kitchens, they work in fields, they work in a ton of places.
    They pay sales taxes, gas taxes and more. The California economy
    depends on them.

    There's costs that could be cut in the California budget, but I'd
    rather find budget cuts that don't cause people to suffer.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Nov 24 00:46:11 2025
    Re: Re: California budget deficit issue
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Utopian Galt on Sat Nov 22 2025 1

    The reality is, while some people may come over the border for the
    benefits, we have a lot of undocumented workers who, well, work. They
    work in kitchens, they work in fields, they work in a ton of places.
    They pay sales taxes, gas taxes and more. The California economy
    depends on them.


    they are illegal aliens/illegal immigrants, not undocumented workers. and
    yes, many do work. they need a path to citizenship so they have the same
    rights and benefits and so they can stop being politican pawns.

    if california cared about them they'd be
    working on a better path to citizenship or permanent residency.

    those people are essentially 2nd class human wage slaves.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Nov 24 09:19:45 2025
    Re: Re: California budget deficit issue
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Utopian Galt on Sat Nov 22 2025 12:29:13

    The reality is, while some people may come over the border for the
    benefits, we have a lot of undocumented workers who, well, work. They
    work in kitchens, they work in fields, they work in a ton of places.
    They pay sales taxes, gas taxes and more. The California economy
    depends on them.

    A lot of "us" don't really have a problem with these people. They come in, do the work that no one else (including the jobless) seem to want to do, they pay their taxes, and they go home.

    Unfortunately, some do have a problem with that... not sure why but I would unfortunately guess that it is because they are not white or don't speak English as a first language. :(
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Mon Nov 24 22:48:23 2025
    Re: Re: California budget deficit issue
    By: Dumas Walker to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Nov 24 2025 09:19 am

    A lot of "us" don't really have a problem with these people. They
    come in, do the work that no one else (including the jobless)
    seem to want to do, they pay their taxes, and they go home.

    that's what you've been brainwashed to believe. they have jobs that
    other americans do. non illegals clean toilets or work on farms.

    the problem i have is these people are being used as pawns. they should have the opportunity to be a resident alien or american citizen.

    Unfortunately, some do have a problem with that... not sure why but
    I would unfortunately guess that it is because they are not white
    or don't speak English as a first language. :(

    that's another brain washed take on it.

    THEY DON'T BELONG HERE. I don't care if they're used as slaves to pick oranges. it's not right. it's not right for them and it's not right for my country.

    personally, i'm not ok with slavery. they might pay taxes if they buy something from the gas station or transfer money home but you don't know the extent.

    they should have all the rights as a resident alien or american citizen if they are going to live and work here.

    They shouldnt be used as political pawns and they shouldnt be here voting.
    i'm talking about all illegal aliens, just not those from mexico.
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