Hello All,

I'm not good with this kind of stuff, so please bear with me.

As many of you are already aware, Captain Hood aka Hawk Hubbard has passed on a couple days ago from his battle with cancer. It has been mentioned on other networks already, but would be an absolute insult if he wasn't mentioned here, as he was considered a good friend of mine, and one of the founding members of Agoranet, as well as the sole person to urge me to revive it back in 2012.

It came as a bit of a surprise to me, as I followed what I thought was his progress on Facebook. He was hospitalized for a bit, and friends from all over (including the BBS scene) were offering to and ordering door dash for him delivered right to the hospital, when he complained about the hospital food. Soon after, the hospital released him to go home (which I had taken as good news, since he was still posting updates on Facebook), and it seems that within a week or two, he was gone.

Hawk was, by far, the biggest, most prolific supporter of the BBS scene, as well as the art scene, no matter if the two grew apart from each other. He was still able to get some of the artists that stopped BBSing years ago to call his board and at least say hi to the rest of us peasant sysops.

Here is my excerpt I posted about him elsewhere:

Somewhere around 2010-2012, I was learning FTN and had mentioned to him that I was looking to start a message network, but couldn't really decide what I wanted to focus on, or what target audience I wanted to hit. Hawk suggested I 'revive' Agoranet, which was ACiD's official message network back in the 90s. He got me in contact with Radman, who I somewhat already knew from contributing to ACID100, and some of the superjoint ansis we did back then. With Radman's blessing, Agoranet was reborn, and if I remember right, we may have even convinced him to call one of Hawk's boards to make one of the first posts on it.

I assisted Hawk in connecting all of his boards to Agoranet, as he didn't have much experience with FTN at the time. It was a learning experience for me as well, since I was remote desktopping, and going by screenshots, digging through OBV/2, PCBoard, as well as Mystic FTN configurations and whatever else he was running at the time (which were all way behind the times back then - Mystic has come a long way since then). But we had a great time doing it.

We had many conversations on Facebook Messenger, BBS related and otherwise. He was a hell of a guy, always with a positive outlook on everything, and will definitely be missed.

If anyone else has any stories they'd like to share, please feel free to do so in his honor.

Rest in peace, Captain. You will be missed.

Regards,
Nick

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Rest in peace, Captain. You will be missed.

RIP. I was not that close to even know about his illness. He's one of my BBS scene heroes,will be missed and I'm glad his boards are still online.

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As many of you are already aware, Captain Hood aka Hawk Hubbard has
passed on a couple days ago from his battle with cancer. It has been

I liked how he used to jump into chat to say hi while I was using his BBS. He was a friendly person and his BBSs were awesome especially when he got all that pirate ansi and evolved from Piranha to Black Flag.

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On 03 Jul 2024, shitty said the following...

he got all that pirate ansi and evolved from Piranha to Black Flag.

piranha was nice. i think i preferred that..

nothing touches tir tairngire tho

i think i just liked that earlier era the best

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On 29 Jun 24 07:06:56, Accession said the following to All:

As many of you are already aware, Captain Hood aka Hawk Hubbard has passed o a couple days ago from his battle with cancer. It has been mentioned on othe

Wow.... I think I chatted with him a few times, seemed down to earth

Atreyu

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he got all that pirate ansi and evolved from Piranha to Black Flag.

piranha was nice. i think i preferred that..
nothing touches tir tairngire tho

iiiiii'm guessing this was "the other" tir tainrgire. it really weirded me out back in the day to find out someone else chose that name.

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on 22 Oct 2024, jinkusu said...

iiiiii'm guessing this was "the other" tir tainrgire. it really weirded me out back in the day to find out someone else chose that name.

I don't think my good friend Thelemtish's Tir Tairngire was ever up via telnet. It's all you, buddy! (Although, maybe there were others?)

It just occurred to me I never did clear up that situation to you after our email exchange a few months back.

Short-ish version for everyone else's benefit: Thelemtish was one of the first non-local scene people I became friends with when we were both modding for Thought Surfers. He used to randomly call me and talk a bunch of shit about the group's leader, Storm Lord. His board was called Tir Tairngire, in the 412. We ended up being in a few different modding groups together, ending with him being an early member of Demonic. At some point, very early on, he disappears. I *think* he might have shown up again at some point using the nick "debaser" but I might be mixing him up with someone else. Anyway, some 2-3 years later, Jinx starts hanging around #demonic. At first, I wondered who this dude hanging out in my channel was, but he was cool and seemed to know a lot of the regulars and eventually became a regular op himself. When telnet finally truly broke, Jinx put up his BBS "Tir Tairngire" which was simultaneously both an "ah ha!" moment, and also totally confusing since Jinx didn't remind of Thelemtish, nor did he act like he'd known me for as long as Tish did, but you know, most of us were mid-late teens and people can sometimes change a lot at that age. Anyway, I finally confirmed that they are, in fact, not the same person like, 25 years later. LOL!

Fitting in a thread about Hawk, as he and I also had some pretty tenuous scene connections for many years despite being in the same circles, until he joined Zer0net and several art groups I was in and we eventually got to know each other a lot better.

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truly broke, Jinx put up his BBS "Tir Tairngire" which was
simultaneously both an "ah ha!" moment, and also totally confusing since Jinx didn't remind of Thelemtish, nor did he act like he'd known me for

haha, that telnettable one was actually like version 2 or 3 of my Tir. version 1 was mid90s renegade where i used every single available command to replace the interface to fake a "unix machine" -- trying to stick with the whole shadowrun/matrix thing. anyway, i had to dumb it down once i discovered there was a limit.

i'm paraphrasing a bit here because i can't remember the actual commands, but for example, there was no "press m for messages" stuff, i made you "cd messages" and run "./read" or if you wanted to download you had to "cd files" and "ls"

my teenager mind thought this was awesome. in hindsight it probably scared off a ton of people.

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on 28 Oct 2024, jinkusu said...

haha, that telnettable one was actually like version 2 or 3 of my Tir. version 1 was mid90s renegade where i used every single available
command to replace the interface to fake a "unix machine" -- trying to stick with the whole shadowrun/matrix thing. anyway, i had to dumb it down once i discovered there was a limit.

i'm paraphrasing a bit here because i can't remember the actual
commands, but for example, there was no "press m for messages" stuff, i made you "cd messages" and run "./read" or if you wanted to download you had to "cd files" and "ls"

Ha! There were lots of similar style mods back then (mostly mimicking MS-DOS) but yeah, that kind of thing was surely more for the modder than the user. :P

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On Wed, Oct 30 16:54:34 -0500, you wrote:

Ha! There were lots of similar style mods back then (mostly mimicking MS-DOS) but yeah, that kind of thing was surely more for the modder than the user. :P

Even while going through multiple "login matrix" PPEs I was noticing a LOT of them had options for lightbar and dos matrixes. Wierd, because I never actually called a board in all these years that did anything like that, or if I did, I may have just hung up. :)

Regards,
Nick

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Re: Re: Hawk Hubbard
By: jinkusu to jack phlash on Mon Oct 28 2024 07:43 pm

i'm paraphrasing a bit here because i can't remember the actual commands, but for example, there was no "press m for messages" stuff, i made you "cd messages" and run "./read" or if you wanted to download you had to "cd files" and "ls"

my teenager mind thought this was awesome. in hindsight it probably scared off a ton of people.

I've thought about making something for my BBS like that (what Synchronet calls a 'command shell'). I haven't yet though, as there's probably little benefit in it other than me perhaps finding it to be an amusing project to work on. I think there might actually already be a MS-DOS style command shell for Synchronet though - I seem to rememebr seeing one before.

Nightfox

Re: Hawk Hubbard
By: Accession to jack phlash on Wed Oct 30 2024 04:54 pm

Ha! There were lots of similar style mods back then (mostly mimicking
MS-DOS) but yeah, that kind of thing was surely more for the modder than
the user. :P

Even while going through multiple "login matrix" PPEs I was noticing a LOT of them had options for lightbar and dos matrixes. Wierd, because I never actually called a board in all these years that did anything like that, or if I did, I may have just hung up. :)

I always liked the lightbar login matrixes (I use one on my board now). the DOS matrixes were hit-and-miss. Ones that tried to mimic the DOS experience accurately were awful and confusing as hell, but ones that took an approach with small menus and intuitive commands were fun as hell.

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Nightfox wrote to jinkusu <=-

I've thought about making something for my BBS like that (what
Synchronet calls a 'command shell'). I haven't yet though, as there's probably little benefit in it other than me perhaps finding it to be an amusing project to work on. I think there might actually already be a MS-DOS style command shell for Synchronet though - I seem to rememebr seeing one before.

I've wanted to make an AS/400 style command screen; don't know enough
about cursor control, though.

https://realitycheckbbs.org/images/as400.jpg



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Re: Re: Hawk Hubbard
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Thu Oct 31 2024 06:50 am

I've wanted to make an AS/400 style command screen; don't know enough about cursor control, though.

https://realitycheckbbs.org/images/as400.jpg

That would be interesting. With Synchronet's JS, console.gotoxy() lets you move the cursor if that's what you need to do.

Nightfox

Re: Re: Hawk Hubbard
By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Oct 31 2024 09:44:02

https://realitycheckbbs.org/images/as400.jpg

That would be interesting. With Synchronet's JS, console.gotoxy() lets you move the cursor if that's what you need to do.

There's also console.up() along with down, left, and right to make navigation easier.
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On 31 Oct 24 06:50:00, Poindexter Fortran said the following to Nightfox:

I've wanted to make an AS/400 style command screen; don't know enough
about cursor control, though.

Pffffft. Make it Lotus Notes please. Or Filemaker Pro.

Atreyu

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Pffffft. Make it Lotus Notes please. Or Filemaker Pro.

Atreyu

Desqview would be cool too!

-Scuz

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On Thu, Oct 31 14:44:54 -0500, you wrote:

I always liked the lightbar login matrixes (I use one on my board
now). the DOS matrixes were hit-and-miss. Ones that tried to mimic the DOS experience accurately were awful and confusing as hell, but ones
that took an approach with small menus and intuitive commands were fun
as hell.

Seems most of the DOS matrixes I saw for PCB were the former. Basically you sit at a C: prompt and you have "LOGIN.EXE", "APPLY.EXE", "CHECK.EXE", "FEEDBACK.EXE", and "LOGOFF.EXE" and that's about it. :)

Granted, if one were to actually make their whole system like that, and as you said, with small menus and intuitive commands, it may be interesting to look at.. but maybe not, too. heh

Regards,
Nick

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Atreyu wrote to Poindexter Fortran <=-

I've wanted to make an AS/400 style command screen; don't know enough about cursor control, though.

Pffffft. Make it Lotus Notes please. Or Filemaker Pro.

If you're going to suck, suck HARD. Borland Paradox.




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On Fri, Nov 01 15:36:00 -0500, you wrote:

Pffffft. Make it Lotus Notes please. Or Filemaker Pro.

If you're going to suck, suck HARD. Borland Paradox.

I'm going to take not having used or even knowing about any of these three programs, as a good thing. :)

Regards,
Nick

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On 31 Oct 2024 at 06:50a, poindexter FORTRAN pondered and said...

I've wanted to make an AS/400 style command screen; don't know enough about cursor control, though.

nCurses is your friend! I've got SML bindings that let me
approximate a kind of Mainframe-y interface, but I haven't
had time to flesh it out. :-(

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On 01 Nov 24 08:36:00, Poindexter Fortran said the following to Atreyu:

Pffffft. Make it Lotus Notes please. Or Filemaker Pro.

If you're going to suck, suck HARD. Borland Paradox.

Our hoses both suck and blow - Sage Act!

Atreyu

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I've thought about making something for my BBS like that (what
Synchronet calls a 'command shell'). I haven't yet though, as there's probably little benefit in it other than me perhaps finding it to be an amusing project to work on. I think there might actually already be a MS-DOS style command shell for Synchronet though - I seem to rememebr seeing one before.

hrm. i've actually written a real OS shell at this point in my career -- i bet i could have made it really awesome if i started adding ansi display hooks instead of trying to cheese it with menus in renegade. hehe.

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