Just curious if anyone else has been watching The Orville. I thought the season finale last week was somewhat similar to a Star Trek: Voyager episode, and I also noticed Brannon Braga was in the credits as the producer - He worked on a lot of Star Trek stuff. And I've heard there are many people from Star Trek who are now involved in The Orville (a few episodes ago, I noticed Robert Picardo in one of the Orville episodes - Robert Picardo played the doctor on Voyager).
Yup, been watching The Orville and the new ST series. I love both ...
I've always liked Star Trek, but I haven't been really excited about what I've seen of Discovery (I've only watched the first few episodes - In part because I don't really want to pay CBS All Access just for one show).
Just curious if anyone else has been watching The Orville. I thought the season finale last week was somewhat similar to a Star Trek: Voyager episode and I also noticed Brannon Braga was in the credits as the producer - He worked on a lot of Star Trek stuff. And I've heard there are many people fr Star Trek who are now involved in The Orville (a few episodes ago, I noticed Robert Picardo in one of the Orville episodes - Robert Picardo played the doctor on Voyager).
It alternates between off-color camp and the "seriousness" of ST-TNG but problem is that its not really consistent, even in the same episode, of what direction it wants to be in.
Meh, the Orville is okay. Not great, not terrible... just okay.
It alternates between off-color camp and the "seriousness" of ST-TNG but problem is that its not really consistent, even in the same episode, of what direction it wants to be in.
Just curious if anyone else has been watching The Orville. I thought the season finale last week was somewhat similar to a Star Trek: Voyager episode, and I also noticed Brannon Braga was in the credits as the producer - He worked on a lot of Star Trek stuff. And I've heard there are many people from Star Trek who are now involved in The Orville (a
few episodes ago, I noticed Robert Picardo in one of the Orville
episodes - Robert Picardo played the doctor on Voyager).
On Friday, December 15th Atreyu muttered...
It alternates between off-color camp and the "seriousness" of ST-TNG problem is that its not really consistent, even in the same episode, what direction it wants to be in.
To each their own, but I think you're missing the point: That *is* the direction it wants to be in. It's a real ST like universe with serious episodes / issues, but with humor in the mix. In a lot of ways, I find
it more realistic than the idealistic/utopian ST universe.
I've been catching up on it. It's definitely a love letter to TNG and honestly hews closer to the traditional Trek feel than Discovery.
I wish the humor was a bit less awkward and typically Macfarlane. Gets kind of grating at times.
Re: Re: The Orville
By: Atreyu to Nightfox on Fri Dec 15 2017 03:14 am
Meh, the Orville is okay. Not great, not terrible... just okay.
It alternates between off-color camp and the "seriousness" of ST-TNG problem is that its not really consistent, even in the same episode, what direction it wants to be in.
Seems to me it explores multiple sides of things. I don't think there's anything wrong with putting a little humor in the situation - I actually like that it's not totally serious all the time. It seems a little more reaslitic that way. People aren't always so stiff and serious as Star Trek made it seem. (But don't get me wrong, Star Trek TNG was one of my favorite shows)
It seems to me that Orville is too fixated on the 21st century. But then again, Seth is all about pop culture, so it's not surprising. It seems like a star ship isn't a place where you can joke around on the bridge. Really? making a big deal about being able to dring soda on the bridge? I for one think that in a command structure like it is supposed to be, that they get too casual about things.
To each their own, but I think you're missing the point: That *is* the direction it wants to be in. It's a real ST like universe with serious episodes / issues, but with humor in the mix. In a lot of ways, I find
it more realistic than the idealistic/utopian ST universe.
Trek made it seem. (But don't get me wrong, Star Trek TNG was one of my favorite shows)
The recurring joke of the crew getting Bortus to eat increasingly ridiculous stuff? That was funny. Isaac totally getting humor wrong and amputating Gordon's leg? That was funny. They seemed to fit in a lot better than "Hey, this is like that time I got high and here's a pop culture reference."
On the whole I dislike TNG, but there are specific episodes that stood out as being really well-written. Off the top of my head, The Drumhead comes to mind.
To each their own, but I think you're missing the point: That *is* the direction it wants to be in. It's a real ST like universe with serious episodes / issues, but with humor in the mix. In a lot of ways, I find it more realistic than the idealistic/utopian ST universe.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ugh, no thanks, just no. That's one thing I hated about The Last Jedi -- the uneven tone. One minute it's trying to be a serious epic, and then somebody's making yo momma jokes. You can't have it both ways... any attempt to do so is going to piss off somebody.
the uneven tone. One minute it's trying to be a serious epic, and the somebody's making yo momma jokes. You can't have it both ways... any attempt to do so is going to piss off somebody.
EVERYTHING pisses off *someonebody*. Case in point: See your view on ST.
I sort-of remember that one, though it isn't one of my favorite
episodes. I think that one was one of the more political episodes, and
I often didn't like the episodes that got too political. Some of my favorites tend to be more of the philosophical ones and the sciency
ones. Episodes like The Measure Of A Man, The Inner Light, Yesterday's Enterprise, Remember Me, The Best Of Both Worlds (and the follow-up
after that when Picard took a break and visited his brother & family in France), etc.. And All Good Things (the series finale) was one of my favorites as well.
Sometimes I even forget that I'm not watching the Star Trek universe. "Cloaking device?! Whaaaat? .. oh right, not ST."
Ugh, no thanks, just no. That's one thing I hated about The Last Jedi the uneven tone. One minute it's trying to be a serious epic, and the somebody's making yo momma jokes. You can't have it both ways... any attempt to do so is going to piss off somebody.
EVERYTHING pisses off *someonebody*. Case in point: See your view on ST.
I saw the movie on Sunday and while it wasn't my favorite Star Wars
flick, it certainly wasn't anything near the horrid levels of episodes 1-3. I thought it had some awkward moments (Flying Leia, milking the
1-3. I thought it had some awkward moments (Flying Leia, milking the
space cow, etc), but what specifically has the fans so angry about it?
Luke could have been handled better.. I found Rey's backstory to be the
Luke could have been handled better.. I found Rey's backstory to be the weakest part of the whole thing, but I'm not going to send a gang with
weakest part of the whole thing, but I'm not going to send a gang with torches and pitchforks out to kill the director like some folks seem to want to do.
Yes, but you're going to piss more people off by trying to be two things at once and failing miserably.
Anyway, overall the show is getting great reviews. People (including myself) love it.
See, now this is weird, because all the comments I read have people reacting the opposite way -- they think the prequels were way better and are begging Lucas to come back with cries of "ALL IS FORGIVEN!". Personally I disagree. I don't care much for the sequels, but I was
still able to enjoy them for all their flaws, The Last Jedi included. I
Rey's backstory was actually the better part, I thought. She's a literal nobody in precisely the way Luke was in the very first movie. She just
has this great power, lots of pent of anger, and no idea how to deal
I doubt very much anyone wants to do that... but they do, I think, want their money back... and that scares everyone involved because it makes Disney look incompetent, and likewise everyone who hyped up the movie.
Honestly -- and this may sound like heresy to some -- but it's probably time to just let the franchise die. The whole thing should have been
done with Return of the Jedi. The prequels were not needed, because we already had a vague idea of the backstory, the new sequels are more than 20 years too late. Lucas could have kept making Star Wars movies from 1984-until whenever, but instead they abandoned the franchise for made-for-TV Ewok movies.
BBSing, they aren't as good as nostalgia would have us to believe. I put on Return of the Jedi last night and I couldn't watch more than 15
minutes of it.
Similarly, everyone will point to Empire Strikes Back as the best of the series. Well, let's not forget that whole boring as fuck middle section with Luke running around in a fake swamp with a puppet. Great ending though.
It made a lot of cash and I don't think it was any more ham-fisted than the Lucas prequels. Meanwhile, people seem to love Rogue One (I didn't care for it personally...) I think there is a lot to like, and it was a decent Star Wars story.
I've sort of reached the point where I just don't care that much
anymore. I don't have faith in big box office cinema, and it's
impossible to please all the nerds of the various fandoms. Especially where there are so many other options for entertaining media out there.
So yeah, TL;DR: Star Wars had its day in the late 70s-early 80s and now
it just needs to go away. :-)
This, basically. I mean, there *are* things that could be done with it. The Republic fell apart for a reason, and simply defeating the Empire doesn't address the structural problems that led to the rise of the
Empire in the first place, so there's certainly still stories to be
told, but it feels like they keep edging away from that in favor of
utter schlock. I get the feeling someone sat down and probably suggested just that as the hook to get financing, and then hired a five year old
Yeah, I just can't watch that shit anymore either. It's just not that enjoyable. A lot of it, I think, comes from the fact that we were all too young and too stupid to know how horrible it was. So the real question is
It and Star Trek. They turned thoughtful (but shitty) SciFi into a god damn series of action movies!
Honestly -- and this may sound like heresy to some -- but it's probably time to just let the franchise die.
It and Star Trek. They turned thoughtful (but shitty) SciFi into a
god damn series of action movies!
This * 1,000,000. The new films just shat on the whole series. Star Trek's best moments were rarely action scenes.
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