• The Orville

    From Nightfox@gmail.com to All on Thu Dec 14 12:33:04 2017
    Just curious if anyone else has been watching The Orville. I thought the season finale last week was somewhat similar to a Star Trek: Voyager episode, and I also noticed Brannon Braga was in the credits as the producer - He worked
    on a lot of Star Trek stuff. And I've heard there are many people from Star Trek who are now involved in The Orville (a few episodes ago, I noticed Robert Picardo in one of the Orville episodes - Robert Picardo played the doctor on Voyager).

    Nightfox
  • From NuSkooler@46:1/173 to Nightfox on Thu Dec 14 17:04:06 2017

    On Thursday, December 14th Nightfox muttered...
    Just curious if anyone else has been watching The Orville. I thought the season finale last week was somewhat similar to a Star Trek: Voyager episode, and I also noticed Brannon Braga was in the credits as the producer - He worked on a lot of Star Trek stuff. And I've heard there are many people from Star Trek who are now involved in The Orville (a few episodes ago, I noticed Robert Picardo in one of the Orville episodes - Robert Picardo played the doctor on Voyager).

    Yup, been watching The Orville and the new ST series. I love both ...

    There have been a few big (ST) names in the credits in various episodides as producer/what not. And like you said, there are a LOT of familure faces from ST
    of old playing various parts.



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  • From Nightfox to NuSkooler on Thu Dec 14 16:25:45 2017
    Re: RE: The Orville
    By: NuSkooler to Nightfox on Thu Dec 14 2017 05:04 pm

    Yup, been watching The Orville and the new ST series. I love both ...

    I've always liked Star Trek, but I haven't been really excited about what I've seen of Discovery (I've only watched the first few episodes - In part because I don't really want to pay CBS All Access just for one show).

    Nightfox
  • From NuSkooler@46:1/173 to Nightfox on Thu Dec 14 19:44:54 2017

    On Thursday, December 14th Nightfox muttered...
    I've always liked Star Trek, but I haven't been really excited about what I've seen of Discovery (I've only watched the first few episodes - In part because I don't really want to pay CBS All Access just for one show).

    I've always loved ST as well. Original, TNG and Enterprise are my favorites. DS9 was OK, but was never big on Voyager at all.

    Discovery, so far, I love. It seems to be love or hate with people, no in between.

    I just heard that Quentin Tarantino may do the next ST movie. That could prove to be interesting... hehe



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  • From Atreyu@46:1/109 to Nightfox on Fri Dec 15 03:14:34 2017
    On 14 Dec 17 12:33:04, Nightfox said the following to All:

    Just curious if anyone else has been watching The Orville. I thought the season finale last week was somewhat similar to a Star Trek: Voyager episode and I also noticed Brannon Braga was in the credits as the producer - He worked on a lot of Star Trek stuff. And I've heard there are many people fr Star Trek who are now involved in The Orville (a few episodes ago, I noticed Robert Picardo in one of the Orville episodes - Robert Picardo played the doctor on Voyager).

    Meh, the Orville is okay. Not great, not terrible... just okay.

    It alternates between off-color camp and the "seriousness" of ST-TNG but problem is that its not really consistent, even in the same episode, of what direction it wants to be in.

    Its definately interesting, I'll give it that.

    Atreyu

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  • From NuSkooler@46:1/173 to Atreyu on Fri Dec 15 09:31:25 2017

    On Friday, December 15th Atreyu muttered...
    It alternates between off-color camp and the "seriousness" of ST-TNG but problem is that its not really consistent, even in the same episode, of what direction it wants to be in.


    To each their own, but I think you're missing the point: That *is* the direction it wants to be in. It's a real ST like universe with serious episodes
    / issues, but with humor in the mix. In a lot of ways, I find it more realistic
    than the idealistic/utopian ST universe.



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  • From Nightfox to Atreyu on Fri Dec 15 09:54:02 2017
    Re: Re: The Orville
    By: Atreyu to Nightfox on Fri Dec 15 2017 03:14 am

    Meh, the Orville is okay. Not great, not terrible... just okay.

    It alternates between off-color camp and the "seriousness" of ST-TNG but problem is that its not really consistent, even in the same episode, of what direction it wants to be in.

    Seems to me it explores multiple sides of things. I don't think there's anything wrong with putting a little humor in the situation - I actually like that it's not totally serious all the time. It seems a little more reaslitic that way. People aren't always so stiff and serious as Star Trek made it seem. (But don't get me wrong, Star Trek TNG was one of my favorite shows)

    Nightfox
  • From deepthaw@46:1/189 to Nightfox on Fri Dec 15 05:20:42 2017
    On 12/14/17, Nightfox said the following...

    Just curious if anyone else has been watching The Orville. I thought the season finale last week was somewhat similar to a Star Trek: Voyager episode, and I also noticed Brannon Braga was in the credits as the producer - He worked on a lot of Star Trek stuff. And I've heard there are many people from Star Trek who are now involved in The Orville (a
    few episodes ago, I noticed Robert Picardo in one of the Orville
    episodes - Robert Picardo played the doctor on Voyager).

    I've been catching up on it. It's definitely a love letter to TNG and
    honestly hews closer to the traditional Trek feel than Discovery.

    I wish the humor was a bit less awkward and typically Macfarlane. Gets kind
    of grating at times.

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  • From deepthaw@46:1/189 to NuSkooler on Fri Dec 15 05:23:37 2017
    On 12/15/17, NuSkooler said the following...


    On Friday, December 15th Atreyu muttered...
    It alternates between off-color camp and the "seriousness" of ST-TNG problem is that its not really consistent, even in the same episode, what direction it wants to be in.


    To each their own, but I think you're missing the point: That *is* the direction it wants to be in. It's a real ST like universe with serious episodes / issues, but with humor in the mix. In a lot of ways, I find
    it more realistic than the idealistic/utopian ST universe.


    The humor just doesn't feel like it's mixed in very organically. Like it
    comes screeching to a halt for a bad joke about dicks or something, then gets back to it.

    The recurring joke of the crew getting Bortus to eat increasingly ridiculous stuff? That was funny. Isaac totally getting humor wrong and amputating Gordon's leg? That was funny. They seemed to fit in a lot better than "Hey, this is like that time I got high and here's a pop culture reference."

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  • From Nightfox to deepthaw on Fri Dec 15 12:28:08 2017
    Re: Re: The Orville
    By: deepthaw to Nightfox on Fri Dec 15 2017 05:20 am

    I've been catching up on it. It's definitely a love letter to TNG and honestly hews closer to the traditional Trek feel than Discovery.

    I wish the humor was a bit less awkward and typically Macfarlane. Gets kind of grating at times.

    I haven't seen much of Seth Macfarlane's stuff, so it seems new and different to me in a good way.. I've been enjoying it.

    Nightfox
  • From Gryphon@46:1/116 to Nightfox on Fri Dec 15 11:10:11 2017
    On 12/15/17, Nightfox said the following...

    Re: Re: The Orville
    By: Atreyu to Nightfox on Fri Dec 15 2017 03:14 am

    Meh, the Orville is okay. Not great, not terrible... just okay.

    It alternates between off-color camp and the "seriousness" of ST-TNG problem is that its not really consistent, even in the same episode, what direction it wants to be in.

    Seems to me it explores multiple sides of things. I don't think there's anything wrong with putting a little humor in the situation - I actually like that it's not totally serious all the time. It seems a little more reaslitic that way. People aren't always so stiff and serious as Star Trek made it seem. (But don't get me wrong, Star Trek TNG was one of my favorite shows)

    It seems to me that Orville is too fixated on the 21st century. But then again, Seth is all about pop culture, so it's not surprising. It seems like
    a star ship isn't a place where you can joke around on the bridge. Really? making a big deal about being able to dring soda on the bridge? I for one think that in a command structure like it is supposed to be, that they get
    too casual about things.

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  • From Nightfox to Gryphon on Fri Dec 15 12:52:52 2017
    Re: The Orville
    By: Gryphon to Nightfox on Fri Dec 15 2017 11:10 am

    It seems to me that Orville is too fixated on the 21st century. But then again, Seth is all about pop culture, so it's not surprising. It seems like a star ship isn't a place where you can joke around on the bridge. Really? making a big deal about being able to dring soda on the bridge? I for one think that in a command structure like it is supposed to be, that they get too casual about things.

    I think that's exactly the point, and it's part of the humor of the show. I just thought that was a gag they were doing for comedic effect.

    Nightfox
  • From Digital Avatar@46:1/145 to NuSkooler on Wed Dec 20 00:56:18 2017
    on 12/15/17, NuSkooler said...

    To each their own, but I think you're missing the point: That *is* the direction it wants to be in. It's a real ST like universe with serious episodes / issues, but with humor in the mix. In a lot of ways, I find
    it more realistic than the idealistic/utopian ST universe.

    Ugh, no thanks, just no. That's one thing I hated about The Last Jedi -- the uneven tone. One minute it's trying to be a serious epic, and then somebody's making yo momma jokes. You can't have it both ways... any attempt to do so is going to piss off somebody.

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  • From Digital Avatar@46:1/145 to Nightfox on Wed Dec 20 00:57:08 2017
    on 12/15/17, Nightfox said...

    Trek made it seem. (But don't get me wrong, Star Trek TNG was one of my favorite shows)

    On the whole I dislike TNG, but there are specific episodes that stood out as being really well-written. Off the top of my head, The Drumhead comes to mind.

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  • From Digital Avatar@46:1/145 to deepthaw on Wed Dec 20 00:58:13 2017
    on 12/15/17, deepthaw said...

    The recurring joke of the crew getting Bortus to eat increasingly ridiculous stuff? That was funny. Isaac totally getting humor wrong and amputating Gordon's leg? That was funny. They seemed to fit in a lot better than "Hey, this is like that time I got high and here's a pop culture reference."

    Wait... you mean Seth MacFarlane is actually starting to understand that an endless string of Manatee jokes ISN'T FUNNY? Jesus, maybe I need to watch this...

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  • From Nightfox to Digital Avatar on Tue Dec 19 22:32:07 2017
    Re: The Orville
    By: Digital Avatar to Nightfox on Wed Dec 20 2017 12:57 am

    On the whole I dislike TNG, but there are specific episodes that stood out as being really well-written. Off the top of my head, The Drumhead comes to mind.

    I sort-of remember that one, though it isn't one of my favorite episodes. I think that one was one of the more political episodes, and I often didn't like the episodes that got too political. Some of my favorites tend to be more of the philosophical ones and the sciency ones. Episodes like The Measure Of A Man, The Inner Light, Yesterday's Enterprise, Remember Me, The Best Of Both Worlds (and the follow-up after that when Picard took a break and visited his brother & family in France), etc.. And All Good Things (the series finale) was one of my favorites as well.

    Nightfox
  • From phigan@46:1/140 to NuSkooler on Tue Dec 19 06:03:18 2017
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    To each their own, but I think you're missing the point: That *is* the direction it wants to be in. It's a real ST like universe with serious episodes / issues, but with humor in the mix. In a lot of ways, I find it more realistic than the idealistic/utopian ST universe.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Agreed. A lot of people didn't like it at first because it wasn't funny enough to be a comedy.. I was thinking it was meant to be a legit space show, with some comedic aspects.. Which it does great at.

    Sometimes I even forget that I'm not watching the Star Trek universe.
    "Cloaking device?! Whaaaat? .. oh right, not ST."

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  • From NuSkooler@46:1/173 to Digital Avatar on Wed Dec 20 22:23:39 2017

    On Wednesday, December 20th Digital Avatar was heard saying...
    Ugh, no thanks, just no. That's one thing I hated about The Last Jedi -- the uneven tone. One minute it's trying to be a serious epic, and then somebody's making yo momma jokes. You can't have it both ways... any attempt to do so is going to piss off somebody.


    EVERYTHING pisses off *someonebody*. Case in point: See your view on ST.


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  • From Zero Reader@46:1/166 to NuSkooler on Thu Dec 21 10:05:29 2017
    On 12/20/17, NuSkooler said the following...

    the uneven tone. One minute it's trying to be a serious epic, and the somebody's making yo momma jokes. You can't have it both ways... any attempt to do so is going to piss off somebody.

    EVERYTHING pisses off *someonebody*. Case in point: See your view on ST.

    Hahahah, love this comment.

    I saw the movie on Sunday and while it wasn't my favorite Star Wars flick, it certainly wasn't anything near the horrid levels of episodes 1-3. I thought
    it had some awkward moments (Flying Leia, milking the space cow, etc), but
    what specifically has the fans so angry about it?

    Luke could have been handled better.. I found Rey's backstory to be the
    weakest part of the whole thing, but I'm not going to send a gang with
    torches and pitchforks out to kill the director like some folks seem to want
    to do.

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  • From Digital Avatar@46:1/145 to Nightfox on Fri Dec 22 00:14:06 2017
    on 12/19/17, Nightfox said...

    I sort-of remember that one, though it isn't one of my favorite
    episodes. I think that one was one of the more political episodes, and
    I often didn't like the episodes that got too political. Some of my favorites tend to be more of the philosophical ones and the sciency
    ones. Episodes like The Measure Of A Man, The Inner Light, Yesterday's Enterprise, Remember Me, The Best Of Both Worlds (and the follow-up
    after that when Picard took a break and visited his brother & family in France), etc.. And All Good Things (the series finale) was one of my favorites as well.

    They very rarely went political in those days, and that one was more about
    the willingness to violate the law in order to save it, which was pretty good. Two others that come to mind have Wussley in them (.die.die.die) -- one where Picard and Wesley and $RANDOM have crashed on some desert moon and try to survive, and the other being the one where Wesley is involved in a coverup at the academy due to his involvement in an accident (leading to Picard telling him that if he can't tell the truth then he's not worthy of the uniform).
    Good stuff.

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  • From Nightfox to phigan on Thu Dec 21 23:15:58 2017
    Re: Re: The Orville
    By: phigan to NuSkooler on Tue Dec 19 2017 06:03 am

    Sometimes I even forget that I'm not watching the Star Trek universe. "Cloaking device?! Whaaaat? .. oh right, not ST."

    They do have basically a holodeck (they call it a "simulator" on The Orville), as well as replicators. I thought they had transporters too, but I always see them going from ship to ship and to/from planets using a shuttle craft. As long as they have all the other Star Trek technology, why not transporters?

    Nightfox
  • From Digital Avatar@46:1/145 to NuSkooler on Fri Dec 22 00:27:34 2017
    on 12/20/17, NuSkooler said...

    Ugh, no thanks, just no. That's one thing I hated about The Last Jedi the uneven tone. One minute it's trying to be a serious epic, and the somebody's making yo momma jokes. You can't have it both ways... any attempt to do so is going to piss off somebody.


    EVERYTHING pisses off *someonebody*. Case in point: See your view on ST.

    Yes, but you're going to piss more people off by trying to be two things at once and failing miserably.

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  • From Digital Avatar@46:1/145 to Zero Reader on Fri Dec 22 00:34:05 2017
    on 12/21/17, Zero Reader said...

    I saw the movie on Sunday and while it wasn't my favorite Star Wars
    flick, it certainly wasn't anything near the horrid levels of episodes 1-3. I thought it had some awkward moments (Flying Leia, milking the

    See, now this is weird, because all the comments I read have people reacting the opposite way -- they think the prequels were way better and are begging Lucas to come back with cries of "ALL IS FORGIVEN!". Personally I disagree. I don't care much for the sequels, but I was still able to enjoy them for all their flaws, The Last Jedi included. I am glad I didn't pay money for that crap, though. :D

    1-3. I thought it had some awkward moments (Flying Leia, milking the
    space cow, etc), but what specifically has the fans so angry about it?

    It's not any one thing, I think, but a constellation of bad decisions as far
    as tone, forgetable characters (including that dumb bitch on the bridge who
    was obviously a stand-in for Leia in every sense), etc.

    Luke could have been handled better.. I found Rey's backstory to be the

    Luke seemed like a whiny bitch, and the reason behind that really could've
    been explained better. He was, in a real sense, walking away from everything
    to avoid being used by everyone around him and becoming the very thing he opposed, akin to the path his father took, or at least that's the impression
    I got. If that's the case it really should've been stated more forcefully.

    Luke could have been handled better.. I found Rey's backstory to be the weakest part of the whole thing, but I'm not going to send a gang with

    Rey's backstory was actually the better part, I thought. She's a literal
    nobody in precisely the way Luke was in the very first movie. She just has
    this great power, lots of pent of anger, and no idea how to deal with either.

    weakest part of the whole thing, but I'm not going to send a gang with torches and pitchforks out to kill the director like some folks seem to want to do.

    I doubt very much anyone wants to do that... but they do, I think, want their money back... and that scares everyone involved because it makes Disney look incompetent, and likewise everyone who hyped up the movie.

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  • From NuSkooler@46:1/173 to Digital Avatar on Sat Dec 23 11:06:17 2017

    On Saturday, December 23rd Digital Avatar muttered...
    Yes, but you're going to piss more people off by trying to be two things at once and failing miserably.

    How do you not see the irony in your line of thinking here? =p

    Anyway, overall the show is getting great reviews. People (including myself) love it.



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  • From Nightfox to NuSkooler on Sat Dec 23 12:24:49 2017
    Re: RE: The Orville
    By: NuSkooler to Digital Avatar on Sat Dec 23 2017 11:06 am

    Anyway, overall the show is getting great reviews. People (including myself) love it.

    Yeah, I really enjoy The Orville. I heard it got renewed for a 2nd season, and I'm looking forward to watching it.

    I've watched the first couple episodes of Star Trek: Discovery, and I haven't really been excited to watch more of it. And typically I enjoy Star Trek.. I just wish they'd go a different direction with Star Trek rather than doing all these prequels and reboots. I think it would be interesting to see more of the gap between the Original Series and the Next Generation - A movie or TV show based on the Enterprise B or Enterprise C, for instance. Or a movie that takes place after 'Nemesis', perhaps involving the crew of Voyager and/or Deep Space 9.

    Nightfox
  • From Zero Reader@46:1/166 to Digital Avatar on Tue Dec 26 00:47:21 2017
    On 12/22/17, Digital Avatar said the following...

    See, now this is weird, because all the comments I read have people reacting the opposite way -- they think the prequels were way better and are begging Lucas to come back with cries of "ALL IS FORGIVEN!". Personally I disagree. I don't care much for the sequels, but I was
    still able to enjoy them for all their flaws, The Last Jedi included. I

    Honestly -- and this may sound like heresy to some -- but it's probably time
    to just let the franchise die. The whole thing should have been done with Return of the Jedi. The prequels were not needed, because we already had a vague idea of the backstory, the new sequels are more than 20 years too late. Lucas could have kept making Star Wars movies from 1984-until whenever, but instead they abandoned the franchise for made-for-TV Ewok movies.

    Now that we're 40 years out from the first movie, we should be able to look back objectively at the original films. Just like the art of BBSing, they aren't as good as nostalgia would have us to believe. I put on Return of the Jedi last night and I couldn't watch more than 15 minutes of it.

    Similarly, everyone will point to Empire Strikes Back as the best of the series. Well, let's not forget that whole boring as fuck middle section with Luke running around in a fake swamp with a puppet. Great ending though.

    Rey's backstory was actually the better part, I thought. She's a literal nobody in precisely the way Luke was in the very first movie. She just
    has this great power, lots of pent of anger, and no idea how to deal

    But Luke wasn't a nobody. Even the first movie hints at his lineage. But I
    can see where the director was going with Rey, and I suppose it's better than Anakin's virgin birth of pure midichlorian or whatever the fuck that
    nonsense was Lucas came up with in Episode I.

    I doubt very much anyone wants to do that... but they do, I think, want their money back... and that scares everyone involved because it makes Disney look incompetent, and likewise everyone who hyped up the movie.

    It made a lot of cash and I don't think it was any more ham-fisted than the Lucas prequels. Meanwhile, people seem to love Rogue One (I didn't care for
    it personally...) I think there is a lot to like, and it was a decent Star
    Wars story.

    I've sort of reached the point where I just don't care that much
    anymore. I don't have faith in big box office cinema, and it's impossible to please all the nerds of the various fandoms. Especially where there are so
    many other options for entertaining media out there.

    Hell, the video game Witcher 3 has some of the best storytelling I've ever
    seen in any form of media (see also, BioShock Infinite). Similarly, if you
    want good "space opera," the Saga comic series is a good place to start.

    So yeah, TL;DR: Star Wars had its day in the late 70s-early 80s and now it
    just needs to go away. :-)

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  • From Digital Avatar@46:1/145 to Zero Reader on Tue Dec 26 01:22:21 2017
    on 12/26/17, Zero Reader said...

    Honestly -- and this may sound like heresy to some -- but it's probably time to just let the franchise die. The whole thing should have been
    done with Return of the Jedi. The prequels were not needed, because we already had a vague idea of the backstory, the new sequels are more than 20 years too late. Lucas could have kept making Star Wars movies from 1984-until whenever, but instead they abandoned the franchise for made-for-TV Ewok movies.

    This, basically. I mean, there *are* things that could be done with it. The Republic fell apart for a reason, and simply defeating the Empire doesn't address the structural problems that led to the rise of the Empire in the
    first place, so there's certainly still stories to be told, but it feels like they keep edging away from that in favor of utter schlock. I get the feeling someone sat down and probably suggested just that as the hook to get
    financing, and then hired a five year old to write the script.

    BBSing, they aren't as good as nostalgia would have us to believe. I put on Return of the Jedi last night and I couldn't watch more than 15
    minutes of it.

    Yeah, I just can't watch that shit anymore either. It's just not that enjoyable. A lot of it, I think, comes from the fact that we were all too
    young and too stupid to know how horrible it was. So the real question is whether or not you want to infect your children with that crap now that
    normies like it.

    Similarly, everyone will point to Empire Strikes Back as the best of the series. Well, let's not forget that whole boring as fuck middle section with Luke running around in a fake swamp with a puppet. Great ending though.

    Shit or get off the pot, Luke, there is no try. Seriously, the scenes with
    Yoda were so horribly boring, but mostly because it took forever for him to finally admit who he was and get down to business.

    It made a lot of cash and I don't think it was any more ham-fisted than the Lucas prequels. Meanwhile, people seem to love Rogue One (I didn't care for it personally...) I think there is a lot to like, and it was a decent Star Wars story.

    About the most I can say for the sequels is that at least they didn't have
    Jar Jar.

    I've sort of reached the point where I just don't care that much
    anymore. I don't have faith in big box office cinema, and it's
    impossible to please all the nerds of the various fandoms. Especially where there are so many other options for entertaining media out there.

    This is why God('s chosen children) created torrents -- because Hollywood is full of fuckfaces who don't deserve our dollars.

    So yeah, TL;DR: Star Wars had its day in the late 70s-early 80s and now
    it just needs to go away. :-)

    It and Star Trek. They turned thoughtful (but shitty) SciFi into a god damn series of action movies!

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  • From Zero Reader@46:1/166 to Digital Avatar on Tue Dec 26 11:50:08 2017
    On 12/26/17, Digital Avatar said the following...

    This, basically. I mean, there *are* things that could be done with it. The Republic fell apart for a reason, and simply defeating the Empire doesn't address the structural problems that led to the rise of the
    Empire in the first place, so there's certainly still stories to be
    told, but it feels like they keep edging away from that in favor of
    utter schlock. I get the feeling someone sat down and probably suggested just that as the hook to get financing, and then hired a five year old

    Nah man, let's make a fourth film where they blow up a "death"-something. I don't understand why these storylines have to be so repetitive. Is it a case
    of "well that worked great in Episode IV, so let's do that again, and maybe someone will think we're trying to make a statement about the circle of life
    or some such bullshit."

    Yeah, I just can't watch that shit anymore either. It's just not that enjoyable. A lot of it, I think, comes from the fact that we were all too young and too stupid to know how horrible it was. So the real question is

    What killed me about Jedi is the costumes. I rarely pay attention to
    costumes, but having seen lots of class-A cosplay at DragonCon through the years, it's really lame to see a major motion picture in which the costumes look like they were sewn by untrained children. The rogues gallery in Jaba's palace looked like ass, and the Ewoks just looked like dwarves in Halloween costumes. But I digress...

    It and Star Trek. They turned thoughtful (but shitty) SciFi into a god damn series of action movies!

    This * 1,000,000. The new films just shat on the whole series. Star Trek's
    best moments were rarely action scenes.

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  • From NuSkooler@46:1/173 to Zero Reader on Tue Dec 26 09:53:26 2017

    On Monday, December 25th Zero Reader muttered...
    Honestly -- and this may sound like heresy to some -- but it's probably time to just let the franchise die.

    Disney has it's paws on it now. It shall be milked for all it has and then some.

    I haven't seen the latest yet, and from what I've heard, I'll probably hate it.
    The original 3 movies are good. Not crazy, but good. The 'first' three are absolute garbage. Rogue One was one of, if not the best so far IMO.

    ..but yeah, Disney. You'd better believe there is going to be a lot more + spin
    offs, more mini series, cartoons, and of course MERCHANDISE!





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  • From Nightfox to Zero Reader on Tue Dec 26 09:59:40 2017
    Re: Re: The Orville
    By: Zero Reader to Digital Avatar on Tue Dec 26 2017 11:50 am

    It and Star Trek. They turned thoughtful (but shitty) SciFi into a
    god damn series of action movies!

    This * 1,000,000. The new films just shat on the whole series. Star Trek's best moments were rarely action scenes.

    I liked classic Star Trek better, but I think some of the better classic Star Trek movies were more action-oriented as well. A common belief is that the even-numbered Star Trek movies were better than the odd-numbered ones, and perhaps that's true - Wrath of Khan and The Voyage Home always seemed to be popular Star Trek movies, and I think those seem more action-oriented. I think First Contact was one of the better Next Generation movies, and it was more action-oriented. Star Trek 6 (The Undiscovered Country) was definitely good too though.

    I was disappointed with 'Nemesis'.. I think that was when the original writers were running out of good ideas. They retconned a couple things (B-4 as Soong's first android, and a different portrayal of Picard in his academy days), and I think it had some fairly corny scenes in it as well.

    Nightfox